Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Chef Boi RD]

And yes, it's a gong show going from 3 top line centres to 0 in 3 years, but such is the life of a Canuck fan......

Ya think?

I can understand using one of the two centres (Horvat and Miller) to land a top 4 D-man (Hronek) but the best asset you get in return for the second top two line centre (Miller) you trade is another top 4 D-man (M. Pettersson) and no top two line centre? Where’s the god damned logic in that? And now we are left with an uncoachable headcase as our only top 2 line centre whom hasn’t played good hockey since last season’s all-star break? WTF?

[Chef Boi RD]

But really, we should dismiss rumoured opinion of tenured NHL’ers because hey, rikster knows best.

FYP

Not trying to call Diehard out or anything, but I'd suggest a bit of calm here - as suddenly the owners are talking to the friend of a GDHTMB poster sounds a lot like Dark Helmet's relationship to Lone Starr...

Feel free to call me out if you want, but the Sedin 'uncoachable' comment is ironclad and directly from somebody who would know. Wish I could say who it was but that would be badly betraying trust of a friend and I don't do that. I've been on these message boards for over 20 years and have never posted insider info before but when I heard this I figured it was too good to share. We'll see what happens soon enough.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to call you out - just that context is as important as the actual words that were said.

No way a guy who got Selke nomination votes, won a Guldhjälmen - and is over a PPG until last year, hasn't been coachable previously. I just don't buy that.

Why context is so important: Has he become uncoachable recently? Was he in the past? After he signed his contract, prior to? If he was, to whom? Just the Sedins? Or all his coaches?

So much context is missing.

This problem child thing with Pettersson didn’t happen over night, the frustration with Pettersson amongst some of his teammates has been going on awhile. Brad Richardson and Bruce Boudreau can attest to that, and Rutherford has confirmed that this has been an issue in the room for awhile.

[Chef Boi RD]

I remember Rutherford commenting on what he said to Pettersson when Pettersson signed his new contract, warning Elias that things will now change for him, warning him of the pressure to live up to this contract. I found this to be an odd comment, never heard a President say this, it was his body language as well, that spoke of they themselves taking a risk giving him this contract. I found the whole interview weird and it was here when i started sensing all wasn’t well with this enigma of a talent.

I don’t envy the challenges Rutherford and Allvin have in regards of the Pettersson situation but this is their job and they are paid to make the right decisions, not the wrong ones.

[Meds]

This probably stems from his obvious dislike for tick rocket.

Can you really blame him? When the coach sides with the guy who got moved out after the trade it's pretty clear that old Tick was a huge part of the problem

Nah. If the Sedin’s are saying he’s uncoachable then the only type of coach he can play for is a Bruce Boudreau who has no system and minimal accountability.

This I the player. Not the coach.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Then how do you explain his ungodly abilities when he's in a good place upstairs? To him it's environmental.

This scrawny scooter riding dweeb can do some seriously magic ass shit Mëds without even trying, training or committing to anybody's program. He's an elite talent who hates his coach and certain teammates. He's a horrible asset to hang the fate of a franchise on but he's ours irregardless.

If the Canucks can somehow unlock this kid he's a goddamn EA sports NHL 98 cheat code

[Chef Boi RD]

He thinks he’s the shit and that’s the problem. It’s gone to his head.

[Tciso]

This probably stems from his obvious dislike for tick rocket.

Can you really blame him? When the coach sides with the guy who got moved out after the trade it's pretty clear that old Tick was a huge part of the problem

Nah. If the Sedin’s are saying he’s uncoachable then the only type of coach he can play for is a Bruce Boudreau who has no system and minimal accountability.

This I the player. Not the coach.

It's a bit of both. Coaches have to adjust for the players they have, not the players they want. Some coaches coach winning but life sucking systems. You don't take an F1 racer and put it in a stock car bump-to-pass Friday night race. I'd like Foote's perspective on EPete40, but, I doubt he gives it publicly. In fact, I'd fire him if he did go public.

[Meds]

Then how do you explain his ungodly abilities when he's in a good place upstairs? To him it's environmental.

This scrawny scooter riding dweeb can do some seriously magic ass shit Mëds without even trying, training or committing to anybody's program. He's an elite talent who hates his coach and certain teammates. He's a horrible asset to hang the fate of a franchise on but he's ours irregardless.

If the Canucks can somehow unlock this kid he's a goddamn EA sports NHL 98 cheat code

That’s actually an exaggeration.

He had two seasons of above a point per game production, one and a half of those seasons was with Tocchet.

The only season where he actually produced while carrying a line was with Kuzmenko. However he was still on the 1PP unit with Miller, Hughes, Boeser, and Bo. When tasked with carrying more he has not risen to the occasion the way one would expect from a player being paid $11.6M.

He does have sick hands and a helluva release, but as Tocchet noted, he doesn’t play the same at high tempo. If an opponent is pressing and closing gaps quickly, he is easily nullified. That has never changed, it just became more exposed as the Canucks started to become less of a pushover for good teams so defenders played him harder.

[Cousin Strawberry]

When he wanted to play he had a pretty decent burst, he had the ability to win pucks back a bit like Daysyuk. There were future selke nominations bandied about even.

The fall from grace has been monumental

[Meds]

When he wanted to play he had a pretty decent burst, he had the ability to win pucks back a bit like Daysyuk. There were future selke nominations bandied about even.

The fall from grace has been monumental

This season was the first season I had ever heard comparisons to former Selke winners.....and I assumed that was largely due to the fact that his defensive zone numbers were the only thing worth talking about.

He rarely had "bursts" of speed. But even when he did, he didn't attack or make plays that way. Those bursts were always requiring open ice. Even if he gained the zone with speed, more often than not he was slowing it down to try and set up and "outsmart" the defenders.

[Cousin Strawberry]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/627993 ... l-decline/

Scroll down to the speed part with the vid clips

[Lancer]

The forensic line is easy to see here:

Petey develops tendonitis that impairs his play from the '24 All-Star Weekend onward; That tendonitis leads to Petey not training like he should; his skating and aerobic fitness levels suffer as a result; his play sucks all season while he tries to catch up.

The Dayal article pretty much lays that out. It also highlights how much Petey's skating drives his play moreso than his stickhandling or shot.

Tendonitis can linger - I've had tendonitis in my achilles - but it isn't arthritis either. I think it's reasonable to assume it shouldn't be a factor this offseason if Petey took the appropriate measures.

It's his head that worries me. There are examples of his drive and dedication since his draft year (we all know the stories about how he meticulously worked on his shot and release), but there are examples of him being a stereotypical Millenial/Gen Z bubble-wrap baby who can't handle adversity and accountability. Add in the rumors that he is 'uncoachable', and the tendonitis and conditioning issues are the least of the Club's worries. I don't need to see him drop the shoulder on guys and yelling on the bench, I just want to see the real Elias Pettersson please stand up.