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Strangelove wrote: AGAIN, you're just "muddying the waters" by waxing philosophical.

We were talking about how many of the popular votes Hillary received should not count - 3 mil? :mex:
Why focus on Hillary when we know for sure that there was voter fraud by Trump supporters? :|

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... oter-fraud

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11 ... arges.html

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/11/04/ ... ested.html

Oh, and it seems these guys all got caught! USA election officers 3 - Bad guys 0*! :wave:

* or so I hope... :|
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LOL just lose graciously damn you!

Trump: WINNER

Hillary: LOSER

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Strangelove wrote: Trump: WINNER

America: LOSER
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Per wrote: Why focus on Hillary when we know for sure that there was voter fraud by Trump supporters? :|
Are you kidding? There were many more reports of fraud going the other way including voting machines switching from Rep to Dem.

NYC Democratic Election Commissioner admits to voting fraud :

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Cornuck wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Trump: WINNER

America: NO MUSHROOM CLOUDS
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Cornuck wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Trump: WINNER

America: LOSER
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RAY!!

I know you're tired of hearing this bro, but it was either Trump or that wicked witch!!

The Clintons, the Podestas, they're E V I L Ray!

When folks like that try to take control of our world, we've gotta get ourselves a coupla big strings of garlic...

we've gotta get ourselves some fresh lamb's blood, and then we gotta...

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U.S. public distrust of the mainstream media, or MSM, is now so great that the more they attacked Donald Trump during the presidential election, the more his credibility and popularity grew, retired Canadian diplomat Patrick Armstrong told Sputnik.

One of the reasons Trump won was that the more the MSM reviled him, the more support he gained.

“If the liars accuse him of something, he must be innocent of it,” Armstrong explained.

A survey by research firm TNS UK, commissioned by Sputnik and released Thursday, showed that 80 percent of Americans considered domestic media coverage of the 2016 campaign was biased toward one or the other of the major-party nominees.

Armstrong said he believed the 80 percent distrust figure was in reality too low and that an even higher percentage of Americans refused to believe the distortions they were fed through the New York and Washington-based national media.

“Why as few as 80 percent? The bias and general worthlessness of the MSM as a source of information has been apparent for years,” he said.

The corporate controllers of the main US broadcast, print and online media platforms had been certain Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would win the national election and had rallied to support her, Armstrong explained.

“In this particular case, as WikiLeaks shows, the owners of the US media had invested in a Clinton future and the Clintons had invested in the media,” he noted.

The extremely biased and hostile coverage of Trump, Russia and other subjects would continue while the media and its spokespersons would go on denying that such bias even existed, although it was now obvious to everyone, Armstrong predicted.

“The principal difference between [tiny local news outlets like] the Eatanswill Gazette and the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Economist and the rest of them is that the former freely admitted its bias,” he added.

Armstrong advised that the only way the American public could continue to retain its independence of mind in the face of such sustained efforts to politically brainwash it was to abandon the mainstream media entirely and opt for alternative and independent sources.

He also recommended that US colleges close down their schools of journalism that had completely failed to inculcate values and habits of independent thinking and critical analysis in almost all of their graduates.

“What to do? Turn off your TV, cancel your newspaper subscription and let them go bust faster. Oh, and shut down all the ‘journalism degree’ mills,” Armstrong said.

Until his retirement, Armstrong was a Canadian diplomat who was a specialist on the Soviet Union and Russia. He previously served as political counsellor in the Canadian Embassy in Moscow.
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Where will they get their brains washed now?

Of course each media outlet has a bias - just like infowars, breibart and all the others. Of course nobody trusts the media or the government. Do you think you've stumbled onto something new here?

You're forgetting that Americans as a rule are extremely lazy when it comes to adult learning. They'll watch the local news, then some CNN/FOX kind of thing and go on their merry way. But some crafty individuals will search out the alternative media and get their heads spun around with a wide ranging web of conspiracies!

OMG - will the dollar fall next week? Should I buy gold?? Have the lizard people taken over Buckingham Palace? The Clinton's killed HOW many people? Bush was the pilot on 9/11??? Holy fuck - what a mess we live in!!! I better keep reading down the rabbit hole until I can't see the daylight.

Why did trump win? Because the media gave him a shitload of airtime? The same media that then 'attacked' him by quoting him? Yes - it's the media's fault, but not because they attacked him. It's their fault because they value entertainment over insight. It's because they don't care who wins or loses. The networks knew that setting up a trump/clinton cage match would be awesome for ratings. The DNC played along and pushed Bernie to the sidelines. The RNC filled up the clown car and diluted the waters, leaving the loudest clown on top.

Do you REALLY need infowars to point this out to you? Do you really think that it's not entirely fucking obvious to anyone paying attention?

Trump won because half the country has given up. trump won for a variety of reasons, but to put on the media for attacking him is shortsighted and simplistic.

We can thank the web-warriors for showing how easy it is to create a website, fill it with oddball stories and grab attention. The media used to be somewhat effective, but when most people would rather read fake news and stay in their bubbles, it's just a matter of time until the resources to do 'real' reporting were gone.

There's still some great reporting done by what you would call the MSM, but you'll dismiss it all in one broad stroke.

Ok - I've wasted enough time replying another one of your trolling posts - well done, griz... you got me again... :/
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Love that part about the American public having independence of mind.

And then, how that having that quality is linked to a person's choice of news source.

Either way, you're following someone else's opinion. Whatever happened to critical thinking?
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5thhorseman wrote:Love that part about the American public having independence of mind.

And then, how that having that quality is linked to a person's choice of news source.

Either way, you're following someone else's opinion. Whatever happened to critical thinking?
It went the way of the horse and buggy. No longer needed in the new world of convenience.
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Corn wrote:Of course each media outlet has a bias - just like infowars, breibart and all the others.
The mainstream media frequently denied it's bias. The alternative media openly expressed their bias. I prefer straight-up to sneaky.
corn wrote:Of course nobody trusts the media or the government. Do you think you've stumbled onto something new here?
New? No. I've been expressing this for a long time.
corn wrote:You're forgetting that Americans as a rule are extremely lazy when it comes to adult learning.
corn wrote:Do you really think that it's not entirely fucking obvious to anyone paying attention?
By your own admission very few are paying attention beyond the regular/antiquated channels of information.
But some crafty individuals will search out the alternative media and get their heads spun around with a wide ranging web of conspiracies! OMG - will the dollar fall next week? Should I buy gold?? Have the lizard people taken over Buckingham Palace? The Clinton's killed HOW many people? Bush was the pilot on 9/11??? Holy fuck - what a mess we live in!!! I better keep reading down the rabbit hole until I can't see the daylight.
corn wrote:There's still some great reporting done by what you would call the MSM, but you'll dismiss it all in one broad stroke.
Isn't THAT what YOU are doing with the alternative media?
corn wrote:The networks knew that setting up a trump/clinton cage match would be awesome for ratings.
The same networks who lied constantly about Hillary's landslide victory to come?
per wrote:Trump won because half the country has given up.
Trump won because America still has a heartbeat.
per wrote:We can thank the web-warriors for showing how easy it is to create a website, fill it with oddball stories and grab attention.
Keep attacking Infowars and similar sites. The more you do, the more popular they become. Just like what happened when the MSM attacked Trump.
corn wrote:The media used to be somewhat effective, but when most people would rather read fake news and stay in their bubbles, it's just a matter of time until the resources to do 'real' reporting were gone.
No need to go to the alternative media for fake news. There's loads of fake news being dished out by the MSM. See my earlier post viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9618&start=1320#p270117) about the Fake MSM News networks by Ron Paul.
Ok - I've wasted enough time replying another one of your trolling posts - well done, griz... you got me again... :/
I'm not trying to get you Corn. Honestly.
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griz wrote:
U.S. public distrust of the mainstream media, or MSM, is now so great that the more they attacked Donald Trump during the presidential election, the more his credibility and popularity grew, retired Canadian diplomat Patrick Armstrong told Sputnik.

One of the reasons Trump won was that the more the MSM reviled him, the more support he gained.

“If the liars accuse him of something, he must be innocent of it,” Armstrong explained.

A survey by research firm TNS UK, commissioned by Sputnik and released Thursday, showed that 80 percent of Americans considered domestic media coverage of the 2016 campaign was biased toward one or the other of the major-party nominees.

Armstrong said he believed the 80 percent distrust figure was in reality too low and that an even higher percentage of Americans refused to believe the distortions they were fed through the New York and Washington-based national media.

“Why as few as 80 percent? The bias and general worthlessness of the MSM as a source of information has been apparent for years,” he said.

The corporate controllers of the main US broadcast, print and online media platforms had been certain Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would win the national election and had rallied to support her, Armstrong explained.

“In this particular case, as Wikileaks shows, the owners of the US media had invested in a Clinton future and the Clintons had invested in the media,” he noted.

The extremely biased and hostile coverage of Trump, Russia and other subjects would continue while the media and its spokespersons would go on denying that such bias even existed, although it was now obvious to everyone, Armstrong predicted.

“The principal difference between [tiny local news outlets like] the Eatanswill Gazette and the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Economist and the rest of them is that the former freely admitted its bias,” he added.

Armstrong advised that the only way the American public could continue to retain its independence of mind in the face of such sustained efforts to politically brainwash it was to abandon the mainstream media entirely and opt for alternative and independent sources.

He also recommended that US colleges close down their schools of journalism that had completely failed to inculcate values and habits of independent thinking and critical analysis in almost all of their graduates.

“What to do? Turn off your TV, cancel your newspaper subscription and let them go bust faster. Oh, and shut down all the ‘journalism degree’ mills,” Armstrong said.

Until his retirement, Armstrong was a Canadian diplomat who was a specialist on the Soviet Union and Russia. He previously served as political counsellor in the Canadian Embassy in Moscow.
It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so sad.

You do realize that Sputnik and Russian Times are important tools in the desinformation campaign Putin uses to further his cause? Remember that there is no free press in Russia. They are telling you exactly what Putin wants them to tell you. They are all toeing the party line. And since Assange went into hiding, he is desperate to not be forgotten while the only new material he has is what the Russians feed him, so he is basically just another mouth piece for Russia these days. Sad. He used to be relevant. Even important. Now he is just Putin's stooge and one of the tools he used to get Trump elected.

Putin's two greatest concerns have been the growing power of Nato and the EU.
He has now succeeded in convincing the Brits to vote for Brexit, thus weakening the EU, and he has managed to get an isolationist president elected in the USA; a president who has no problems with Russia's invasion of Crimea, who talks about scrapping Nato and whose protectionist ideas will weaken the American influence around the world ( specifically, by scrapping the trans-pacific trade agreement, Trump is basically ceding Asia to China).

Not only that, Putin has also managed to get his preferred candidate elected in Moldavia, and the extreme right wing parties he is supporting are gaining traction throughout Europe.

The western nations have been naive, and Putin has taken advantage of our tradition of free press and lack of censorship. He is also using the classical KGB technic of accusing the opponent of what you yourself is doing. Thus he is feeding us tons of lies while insisting that our media is lying. It's classic. And you are buying it hook line and sinker.

It's getting scary, really. In country after country nationalism is rearing its ugly head again.
We thought it was soundly crushed in WW2, but things are beginning to look very much like the 1930's again.

Back then everyone was blaming the Jews for everything, this time it's the Muslims. But other than that...
High unemployment in many European countries. Rising nationalism. An isolationist USA. Increasing distrust in democratic institutions and the media. People yearning for a strong leader. Protectionism. Xenophobia.

We've been down this road before, and it did not end well. :(
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griz wrote:
per wrote:Trump won because half the country has given up.
per wrote:We can thank the web-warriors for showing how easy it is to create a website, fill it with oddball stories and grab attention.
I never posted any of that. :|

You've become so brainwashed by the Russians and their proxies (breitbart, infowars, et al) that now you are making up desinformation all by yourself!

Either that, or you don't know the difference between Nebraska and Sweden.
Hint: we grow less corn and play better hockey.

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Per wrote:
griz wrote:
per wrote:Trump won because half the country has given up.
per wrote:We can thank the web-warriors for showing how easy it is to create a website, fill it with oddball stories and grab attention.
I never posted any of that. :|

You've become so brainwashed by the Russians and their proxies (breitbart, infowars, et al) that now you are making up desinformation all by yourself!

Either that, or you don't know the difference between Nebraska and Sweden.
Hint: we grow less corn and play better hockey.

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Lol - Sorry Per, my mistake!

You sure believe in Russian conspiracies. Why not American ones? The mainstream media has been telling us the Russians are the bad guys too... :eh:
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CNN is like Mondi, no matter how many times Trump denounces KKK/Neo-Nazis

... they're going to keep trying to tie him to that small lunatic fringe group:



Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough yet Wolf? :scowl:

(watch him closely, you can see him blushing more and more as the video goes on)

"How many times does he have to condemn them? Does he have to write it in the sky in an airplane" :lol:
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