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[Meds]

This election literally feels like picking the lesser of two evils.

I haven't followed things overly close lately, just tired of the media circus and sideshow it has become, but.....

In Trump you have a guy whose "morals and ethics" are grounded solely in capitalistic profit. It's about the bottom line. Sure he's coming off as something that is reminiscent of a broken track of Mein Kampf in some respects, but you know what you get. He will do what is best for the dollars, and at the very least that will have a trickle down effect on America's economy (providing he doesn't cut their labour force in half with deportations).

In Hillary you have an outright criminal who appears to have a complete lack of morals and ethics and will simply twist in the wind to maintain a grip on her own power. I am actually scared of what America might become under her.

There is no good choice here, but in general it just feels like the Republican Party has always been a little more obvious in their intentions. I could be wrong.

[Cornuck]

I could be wrong.

You could be right, but unlikely. If trump was an honest, straight dealing businessman like a Jobs, Gates, Bezos, Musk - I could buy into your point. But he's proven be nothing but a con man in his dealings. Read about his casinos and then tell me he's not a 'criminal' like you call Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyreg ... .html?_r=0

or read this one:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ls/474726/

As for the Clintons, they have their own set of scandels:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... zi/396182/

Both are power hungry. Both have too much baggage to easily win. The winner will be the one that gets the most votes to keep the other out of office.

I still believe that Clinton at least has some experience, and will care more about her 'legacy' as president and not do anything too outrageous to ruin that historical, first woman president moment. All she has to do is carry on Obama's work and she won't ruin the country.

trump has to follow up his word and undo all of Obama's policy. This will make the repubs happy and certain special interest groups - but it will do great harm to the country if he repeals Obamacare instead of fixing it. If he repeals gay marriage and takes away the rights of many citizens. He will end up alienating most of the allies, and likely Canada as well. (not sure how- but he'll insult Canada soon enough). He'll get rid of the EPA, he'll deport millions of people (or try to) and with each 'success' he has, the country will get weaker. He'll start spending on the military (make it great again) at a point when war is changing dramatically. I can't imagine the debt this idiot will incur.

In the end, if you really think an ignorant, corrupt businessman is a better choice than an informed corrupt politician (and she's in good company), then you really just want to see the country implode.

But I could be wrong.

[griz]

That's what the laughing emoticons are for. Not my fault is you don't know how to use them. Once you have taken a position so outrageous as to suggest that Drumpf would be a better president than Clinton, nothing else you might post is obviously just a joke.

I've kept my eyes on this thread, I grew a thicker skin, and I have returned. I think this is both fun and important after all.

Trump IS a better candidate than Clinton. It's not outrageous to suggest as much. If you believe otherwise then you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. It's as simple as that.

[Cornuck]

If you believe otherwise then you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. It's as simple as that.

LOL - thanks for the laugh, griz.

[griz]

Mondi,

Trump's ghostwriter for The Art of the Deal said, "I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear code there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization."

Trump said "You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you have a young and beautiful piece of ass."

Not sure why hearsay like this garbage matters at all. Worse things are being said in these forums all the time. So what? This is a sideshow.

Trump picked a VP candidate who doesn't believe in evolution:

I don't believe in Evolution either. Draw conclusions from that as you may. You're likely an Atheist. Science itself doesn't support evolution. Look it up.

And, Pence also brought in mandatory funerals/cremations for aborted fetuses:

There are many who do not believe in abortion. I am one of them. Those are humans being killed and it's not just my opinion. Apparently there is an industry for evil who want to use these unborn in their rituals. Look it up.

Trump referred to a black man as, "my African American":

You're attacking Trump on political correctness?

Trump wants to build a border wall with Mexico that is prohibitively expensive:

He also said he would make Mexico pay for it. And by the way do you believe in the mass illegal immigration that is occurring?

Trump wants to REGISTER muslims (think about that one carefully):

Careful with news from the mainstream media. Look into Sharia law and tell me if you think it can peacefully coexist with non muslims? Trump wants to register Muslims. Muslims are taught to convert or kill non Muslims.

And, he's a thin skinned piece of shit:

Hard to take that seriously when your reference is a comedy piece.

The fact that Hillary isn't a great alternative is no defence to the reality that Trump is a sexist-reality star-megalomaniac-sociopath. There is really no defending this guy.

I agree Trump isn't perfect. But let's face it, it's either Trump or Hillary. I can overlook Trump's lack of political experience and PC. But I cannot overlook what Hillary has already done.

[griz]

This election literally feels like picking the lesser of two evils.

I haven't followed things overly close lately, just tired of the media circus and sideshow it has become, but.....

In Trump you have a guy whose "morals and ethics" are grounded solely in capitalistic profit. It's about the bottom line. Sure he's coming off as something that is reminiscent of a broken track of Mein Kampf in some respects, but you know what you get. He will do what is best for the dollars, and at the very least that will have a trickle down effect on America's economy (providing he doesn't cut their labour force in half with deportations).

In Hillary you have an outright criminal who appears to have a complete lack of morals and ethics and will simply twist in the wind to maintain a grip on her own power. I am actually scared of what America might become under her.

There is no good choice here, but in general it just feels like the Republican Party has always been a little more obvious in their intentions. I could be wrong.

Similar to how I feel Mëds.

[Cornuck]

Trump referred to a black man as, "my African American":

You're attacking Trump on political correctness?

Trump wants to build a border wall with Mexico that is prohibitively expensive:

He also said he would make Mexico pay for it. And by the way do you believe in the mass illegal immigration that is occurring?

Trump wants to REGISTER muslims (think about that one carefully):

Careful with news from the mainstream media. Look into Sharia law and tell me if you think it can peacefully coexist with non muslims? Trump wants to register Muslims. Muslims are taught to convert or kill non Muslims.

You worry about people reading / believing "Mainstream Media" (whatever that is) - and yet you believe the trump will somehow make Mexico pay for a wall that's not needed? There are walls over a lot of the border and it's totally ineffective - but SOMEhow, trump's going to build a 'great' wall and make another country pay for it. That is something that has no basis in fact and won't work - period. It's expensive (and Mexicans build tunnels btw.)

As for "Mass illegal immigration" - you might want to look up more recent numbers. It seems that net immigration from Mexico is pretty much null - lots of people returning, not as many coming. Again - look at how Alabama chased out their 'illegal' population and their ag industry went to shit. Like it or not, the American economy relies on illegal immigration - the best bet is to get the legal, paying taxes and into social security. But then there are people fleeing central American shitholes that were made that was thanks to the American drug market and policy. Maybe we can let them in so they'll live?

But, of course that's just mainstream media and facts - should I go listen to Alex Jones to get the 'real' story?

As for Sharia law? More fear mongering. It won't happen in the US until there's a Muslim majority Seriously, it happens in Britain to some extent with local councils now, but that will never fly in the US thanks to the thing called the Constitution.

Also - any Muslim I've met has not wanted to kill me for not converting to Islam. You really need to get out more and stop being so damned afraid of everything - it's a great world, and trump will not make it greaterer.

[griz]

If you believe otherwise then you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. It's as simple as that.

LOL - thanks for the laugh, griz.

Cornuck, I don't agree with some of what you say. But I appreciate your manner.

You could be right, but unlikely. If trump was an honest, straight dealing businessman like a Jobs, Gates, Bezos, Musk - I could buy into your point. But he's proven be nothing but a con man in his dealings.

Jobs was an asshole. Maybe we could have used him on the Canucks? Gates wants to depopulate the world. And of course he's responsible for Microsoft. Musk is a transhumanist in hiding. I don't want any of these guys running the world.

Read about his casinos and then tell me he's not a 'criminal' like you call Clinton.

I won't defend those business practises but it's apples and oranges.

Compare to a recent Alex Jones blurt on Hillary ... https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmeri ... =2&theater

Or this article : http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-ar ... dals-ever/

I still believe that Clinton at least has some experience, and will care more about her 'legacy' as president and not do anything too outrageous to ruin that historical, first woman president moment. All she has to do is carry on Obama's work and she won't ruin the country.

Correction : She will continue to ruin the country as Obama has.

but it will do great harm to the country if he repeals Obamacare instead of fixing it

You BELIEVE in Obamacare?

He will end up alienating most of the allies, and likely Canada as well. (not sure how- but he'll insult Canada soon enough).

You mean he'll be anti-globalism? Good. I think countries as geographically huge and resource diverse as Canada and the US should be self sufficient.

He'll get rid of the EPA

You BELIEVE in global warming? Not the top scientists. Look it up.

, if you really think an ignorant, corrupt businessman is a better choice than an informed corrupt politician (and she's in good company)

GOOD company?

But I could be wrong.

Yep, me too.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Trump IS a better candidate than Clinton. It's not outrageous to suggest as much. If you believe otherwise then you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. It's as simple as that.

Nope, just a hardened air and water addict. Maybe you can refer me to the same 12-step program that go you off the stuff.

[griz]

You worry about people reading / believing "Mainstream Media" (whatever that is) - and yet you believe the trump will somehow make Mexico pay for a wall that's not needed? There are walls over a lot of the border and it's totally ineffective - but SOMEhow, trump's going to build a 'great' wall and make another country pay for it. That is something that has no basis in fact and won't work - period. It's expensive (and Mexicans build tunnels btw.)

I believe the wall is metaphorical and represents whatever mechanism is required to seriously reduce illegal immigration. However, even a literal wall has proven to be highly effective recently : http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10 ... is-levels/

As for "Mass illegal immigration" - you might want to look up more recent numbers. It seems that net immigration from Mexico is pretty much null - lots of people returning, not as many coming. Again - look at how Alabama chased out their 'illegal' population and their ag industry went to shit. Like it or not, the American economy relies on illegal immigration - the best bet is to get the legal, paying taxes and into social security. But then there are people fleeing central American shitholes that were made that was thanks to the American drug market and policy. Maybe we can let them in so they'll live?

So who's counting the illegals crossing the border? Nobody, that's who.

But, of course that's just mainstream media and facts - should I go listen to Alex Jones to get the 'real' story?

Actually, Alex has a pretty decent track record overall. Did you know that only six corporations control 90% of the mainstream media?

As for Sharia law? More fear mongering. It won't happen in the US until there's a Muslim majority Seriously, it happens in Britain to some extent with local councils now, but that will never fly in the US thanks to the thing called the Constitution.

Act of 1871 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yikOoysUGIY

I'm not so sure I would count on what we have been told.

[Cornuck]

Ok, I'll bite... tell me how Obama is ruining the country.

As for Obamacare? Do I 'believe' in it? Yes - it's a thing, it exists. Do I think it's good? No, and in fact it doesn't help me one bit. There was hope, and then they bowed to pressure and took the single payer option out - note how I said it needs to be 'fixed' rather than 'removed' - it has helped some people.

The EPA and global warming are two different, yet somewhat connected issues. Do I care about global warming? Not really, I don't have kids - so when I'm done here - fuck y'all. Do I believe it exists? Yes, there's too much evidence to ignore - but I'm not to bother trying to convince you. On the other hand, I do enjoy clean air and water. There have been many regulations that have helped in this area thanks to the EPA and other agencies. Are they perfect, no - but to dismantle them just let corporation police themselves is completely totally, fucking insane. Should we transition to renewable energy? Yes - because eventually we'll run out of coal and gas.

Again, there's a difference between having allies and the global economy. Yes, it's good to keep some countries in line and alliances are needed for that. Does it suck that companies want to save money have the 3rd world build our useless shit? Yep! Does it suck that now we can afford this useless shit? Depends who you ask.

The middle class started going away long before Obama showed up. Thank Reagan for trickle-down economics and thank the government (both sides) for allowing so many tax loopholes and tax havens to build up to where we are now.

As for the social issues? Abortion - not a fan, but then I"m not a woman - so I'll stay the fuck away from telling a woman what she should do. Gay rights? There should be zero difference if heterosexuals or gays get married. Those are two issues that the religious voters have made high priority for some reason - yet they're not nearly as vocal towards helping the poor, the hungry, the disabled and others in society who need some help.

[griz]

A good list to ponder : http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-cli ... cy-record/

[Ronning's Ghost]

I don't believe in Evolution either. Draw conclusions from that as you may. You're likely an Atheist. Science itself doesn't support evolution. Look it up.

Now, i will concede that within the limits of reason and evidence, one cannot disprove supernatural explanations for events -- by the very definition of supernatural -- but you overreach when you presume to tell us what science supports. Since i did an entire 4 year degree on the subject at a respectable university, I do not have to look it up.

Conclusions drawn, and shit, I just wasted a bunch of electrons. You may expect no further replies from me. Enjoy the last word on the matter, if you want it.

[Cornuck]

Geez - first Alex Jones and now Briebart? Don't forget Whatreallyhappened.com

Now it's a metaphical wall - ok...

There's a huge difference between a wall for refugees coming to Europe vs drug smugglers with extensive networks on the other side. But again, I don't consider this a problem (and yes, I spend 10 years in Vegas and a lot of time in California).

And yes, I'm fully aware of how the corporate media works... but that doesn't mean I discount everything I read in it.

[griz]

Ok, I'll bite... tell me how Obama is ruining the country.

There's a *lot* of articles if you Google "obama ruining the country" that demonstrate how he's ruining the country. That said it's ironic to Google "obama saving the country" because the first page of results are mainly about Obama claiming to have saved the world's economy.

As for Obamacare? Do I 'believe' in it? Yes - it's a thing, it exists. Do I think it's good? No, and in fact it doesn't help me one bit. There was hope, and then they bowed to pressure and took the single payer option out - note how I said it needs to be 'fixed' rather than 'removed' - it has helped some people.

The EPA and global warming are two different, yet somewhat connected issues. Do I care about global warming? Not really, I don't have kids - so when I'm done here - fuck y'all. Do I believe it exists? Yes, there's too much evidence to ignore - but I'm not to bother trying to convince you. On the other hand, I do enjoy clean air and water. There have been many regulations that have helped in this area thanks to the EPA and other agencies. Are they perfect, no - but to dismantle them just let corporation police themselves is completely totally, fucking insane. Should we transition to renewable energy? Yes - because eventually we'll run out of coal and gas.

I hear ya. I too want healthcare available to anyone who needs it and good air and water. It just makes sense, especially as Canadians who take these things for granted. But the implementation of these ideas by those big institutions seem to fall far short and even gets to the point of lying to everyone. As in the case of global warming or the massive increase in healthcare that many experienced under Obamacare.

Again, there's a difference between having allies and the global economy. Yes, it's good to keep some countries in line and alliances are needed for that. Does it suck that companies want to save money have the 3rd world build our useless shit?

I don't know about a solution. But I can see the problem where a country over-trades with other countries at the cost of their own self sufficiency. This seems to make them more vulnerable to global and potentially uncontrollable events. For example, going to war with China ... what would be left on the shelves of Walmart or the Dollar Store?