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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:09 am So you’d be fine with the Canucks missing the post season this year?
It's easy to get caught up and start threads like "Are the Canucks Cup Contenders" with a streak at hand - but now that we're out of first place, and only 5 points removed from missing the last wild card... :/

Add in that we're playing so flat right now, and relying on goaltending for point, it's a distinct possibility. Unless we get a ridiculous offer for Tanev, we keep him for the run and (hopefully!) playoffs. I'm sure Benning knows a LOT better than us what Chris's intentions are for next season, but I see him sticking around.

We're at the point in the season when the team should be gelling and looking like they want to do some damage in the post season - the last 2 games look like a team playing out the season and booking tee times.
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Travis must not think it's too bad, he's very low keyed and nonchalant in his interviews.

Or scared.
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And that worries me a little - I watched a little of his talk after last night's loss - "Yeah, but won the 2 previous games"... :/ Ok, Trav - you just keep telling yourself it's all going to be ok as long as Marky stands on his head for 60 minutes.
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Cornuck wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:18 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:09 am So you’d be fine with the Canucks missing the post season this year?
It's easy to get caught up and start threads like "Are the Canucks Cup Contenders" with a streak at hand - but now that we're out of first place, and only 5 points removed from missing the last wild card... :/

Add in that we're playing so flat right now, and relying on goaltending for point, it's a distinct possibility. Unless we get a ridiculous offer for Tanev, we keep him for the run and (hopefully!) playoffs. I'm sure Benning knows a LOT better than us what Chris's intentions are for next season, but I see him sticking around.

We're at the point in the season when the team should be gelling and looking like they want to do some damage in the post season - the last 2 games look like a team playing out the season and booking tee times.
Well aside from the out of first place bit, we've always been a handful of poor efforts away from the last wild card spot. The Pacific has been tight all season.

As for relying on goaltending, Markstrom has faced the 3rd most shots in the league this year.....the two guys ahead of him play for teams that have no backup goaltender that they can rely on, so Hellebuyck and Price have played 8 and 9 more games respectively. As a team we are 4th in the league for shots against, 0.4 behind the Senators (aren't they supposed to suck this year.....oh right, they do).

Travis is a very puzzling coach. I actually don't think he's a very good one at all. We went into the season with a team that looked like it had 66% of a top-6 forward group that could be relied upon to produce, and a top-4 defense that felt fairly middle of the pack, and, with the exception of Hughes, was not likely to generate much in the way of offense. One would think that the coach's strategy going in would be to play a tight checking, lane clogging, shot blocking, defensively smothering, style of hockey that capitalized on the turnovers and mistakes it generated in their opponents. Instead we came out of the gate and by the 5th game our rookie defenseman (who's a real beaut I might add) was playing 20+ minutes per game and we were a north-south team that surrendered shots by the dozen, struggled to get the puck out, lacked forward support in the defensive zone, and relied on our goaltender to keep us in the hunt.

When you scrutinize our winning streaks you'll see a ton of lucky goals. Bounces off legs and asses, very generous end boards and seams, and a ridiculously streaky PP that when it's streaking is the the most productive in the league but then just disappears and goes on an 0-30 stretch over a couple of weeks.

I see a team that has probably 75% of the pieces required to be a league dominating force, and probably 90% of the key pieces are here, but it's inconsistent, and does not appear to be well coached.

I'd been thinking it for a couple of weeks, and called it in the loss to Calgary, that this team would fall out of first place and miss the playoffs entirely if we don't see a coaching change. That change could be the firing and hiring of the head coach any one, or combination, of him and the assistants.....or it could simply be a change in the way the existing coaches deploy the team and draw up the attack. Since that loss we've won a couple of games, one was a misrepresented close call against Nashville, essentially a 3-2 game with 3 extra goals tacked on by the hockey god's as payment for a night spent with lady luck, probably courtesy of the Aquamen. The other was a 3-0 win that probably should have been a 10-1 loss. Then the eye test was properly represented again on the scoreboard against Anaheim yesterday.

If we don't want to be a tight checking team, then we need to be an offensive team that is a threat to score because of skill and playmaking, not bounces and stupid mistakes.

I'd be willing to take a chance on replacing Green with Bruce Boudreau.....he knows how to get a team to click offensively and not be a bunch of pylons on the PP waiting for the PK to get out of their way.
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Travis must have got a call from the NHL about ripping the officiating. For the first time he actually sounded like an NHL coach.
Last few chats have been about as uninspiring as it gets.
Good points Mëds and I too question some of his almost stubborn habits. It's never a hunch or seeing something in practice, more like whatever
worked last game, well, we'll go with that again. I've always said I thought Vancouver was weak at scouting the teams they're playing beforehand
and making any creative answers or counter measures to what that team will bring.
We've had a few games this year where we,'ve dominated and it felt real to me. There's the opposite to that too. An illusion. ???????
One thing for sure, IMO, Travis is riding Quinn outrageously hard. Well of course he's a spark plug and has incredible skills for a first year
player but not sure a wise coach would push that hard. Scary if that kid loses his confidence. Is that happening to Petey? I think it might be
getting there. Obviously the officials are watching him for embellishing and kind of rightfully so. Problem is, they are not calling enough now
and he's confused, you can see it. We are paying three guys behind the bench yet nobody can give Pettersson any advice.
Sometimes he gives up ongoing plays to try and draw a call.

We are one good defense man and a healthy Boeser and Ferland away from Glorysville.
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Micky wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:41 am Travis must not think it's too bad, he's very low keyed and nonchalant in his interviews.

Or scared.
I don't think coaches usually say exactly what is on their mind in a media interview.

There is a difference between what you tell the media, what you tell your team directly, and what you tell the assistant coaches directly.

What you tell the media is what you want your team to know that you are telling the media.

And you don't necessarily say exactly what's on your mind with your team, either. Sometimes a team knows when they've played bad and they know why. Sometimes teams respond by wanting not to get yelled at again, but not usually, and not usually millenials and gen y'ers. Sometimes the coach's frustration can make players feel like they are hopeless. Or sometimes they don't really want to play for the coach.

Sometimes after a bad game, the best thing to do it to talk about what was good, trust that process, etc., as opposed to fixating on obvious errors.

I'm not endorsing any particular style of coaching, by the way. But I think generally this generation of player is a lot more aware about what they do well and what they do poorly and somewhat more fragile and certainly more connected to media.
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UWSaint wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:26 pm But I think generally this generation of player is a lot more aware about what they do well and what they do poorly and somewhat more fragile and certainly more connected to media.
Hmmm... I wonder if the time is ripe for completely reversing the way a coach does things.

Like, after a horrible game, be all nice, comforting, and soothing to the players in the room

... then go out to the presser and RIP THE FUCK OUTTA THEM! :twisted:


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If "this generation" of players is really that soft, then maybe the coach should just take away their phones? Fuck that shit - these guys are making millions (except for ELC players) and should have enough fucking motivation to make adjustments to their attitudes, and if a coach wants to (and should) call them out - then Travis should be "motivating" them like his depends on it.
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I think TG is probably tired of the insessant baiting and leading question from the media in Vancouver (who are WAY worse as media people than Green is a coach).
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Marchand gets a great crosscheck to the head. :D


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Started to look like an assembly line was gonna happen.
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I hope JB jumps on the wagon and gets another 3/4 defenceman soon. they are all moving like hot cakes...

Dillion would have been nice, but not for that price.
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:12 pm I hope JB jumps on the wagon and gets another 3/4 defenceman soon. they are all moving like hot cakes...

Dillion would have been nice, but not for that price.
If he wants a legit 3/4 guy he’ll be paying a lot more than what Dillon went for.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:18 pm
Madcombinepilot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:12 pm I hope JB jumps on the wagon and gets another 3/4 defenceman soon. they are all moving like hot cakes...

Dillion would have been nice, but not for that price.
If he wants a legit 3/4 guy he’ll be paying a lot more than what Dillon went for.
like two seconds.. that's what Vegas paid.
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