Do you honestly think there would be regular protests mostly without incident if the government was actually tyrannical?Per wrote: ↑Thu Feb 05, 2026 4:07 am I don't think anyone has a problem with criminals being arrested and deported.
But I do think most people like rule of law.
When ICE raids homes and work places without a warrant from a judge, when they harass people in the street based on their looks or an accent, when they kidnap children on their way home from school, when they detain people without stating a reason for their arrest, when they deny their prisoners access to a lawyer or to inform their family of where they are, and when they kill people for seemingly no reason and then aren't tried in a court - that's not law enforcement, that's domestic terrorism.
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Do you really think all these Minnesotans are taking to the streets to protect violent criminals?
They are taking to the streets to protect their neighbours and coworkers.
As one should when a government revokes constitutional rights and resorts to tyrannical measures.
It is not the deportations per se that are the problem, it is the lack of due process.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I kept quiet; I wasn't a communist.
When they came for the trade unionists, I kept quiet;
I wasn't a trade unionist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I kept quiet;
I wasn't a social democrat.
When they locked up the Jews, I kept quiet;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.
Martin Niemöller, 1892-1984
(You often see various versions starting "First they came for..." but I think this is the English translation closest to the German original)
I’m not saying there are no instances of ice officers violating a person’s constitutional rights; our law books are full of cases where that claim has been brought. Sometimes they are proven, mostly they are not. But they are proven through a process, which hasn’t preceded your blanket allegation of tyranny.
But most of what I see, as I just said above, is people complaining about law enforcement activity that happens all the time that people don’t think through.
Arrests without warrants and entry into public spaces without warrants. All the time. Warrants issued by non judicial officers to obtain info from businesses, or administrative warrants issued the agency? All the time (and I will join you in questioning the propriety of this, but it’s not “new”). Initially, warrants were issued by magistrates or justices of the peace that were seen as part of the crown (executives); regular placement into the judiciary is a later development, which I support but am saying this for perspective.
Harrassing people for how they look or speak? That’s a meme and thought terminating cliche; law enforcement can try to talk to anyone (as can you or I), but to temporarily detain, they have to have specific and articulable suspicions. Might language be one element of this if you are looking for someone who speaks that language or who physically matches the description of the person being search for? Of course. Might it happen that an officer does this from time to time without meeting the standard? Sure. Cops doing their jobs poorly is always an issue. But does it mean every stop of a minority is based on them being a minority? Of course not. Yet is there an interest in making that claim as a universal truth if you are the person detained or are trying to undermine police authority? You bet!
Kidnapping children to and from school? Is there another word you might use for taking custody of a child? Better in school, in front of classmates? Where else to kids travel on their own whose path might be known to authorities? Doesn’t the state take custody of children *all the time* when custodians have been arrested (ultimately to be placed with another relative or fostered). And if mom or dad is being deported, I thought family separation was a problem….
Detention without a statement as to the reason? Agree this is a problem if this is true after the situation is controlled. (You can arrest and then explain). Is it happening all of the time? I’ve seen nothing that suggests on a wide scale basis; no evidence of people being held for long periods of time without charges.
Unpersoning (can’t contact lawyer, relative)? Maybe not at the precise moment asked. Did you know you can search any name on Ice’s site to determine whether they are in ice custody?
Look, I am not saying abuses don’t happen. But I am saying that legitimate grievances are hard to hear when there is so much exaggerated noise.
