Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Picker of Cherries]

The Baldies seem to be getting off Scot-free for the failures of this season. It’s all Pettersson and Millers 24/7. It seems to have had nothing to do with having Friedman, Soucy, Deharnais and Juulsen in the top eight defencemen to start the season, and not being able to hold onto a lead for the first half of the season. Not signing Ian Cole and fixing the defence had more to do with missing the playoffs this season than the conflict between JT and Petey. Media idiots dwelling on Pettersson are letting management completely off the hook. Dwelling on an obviously injured and recovering Pettersson is the same mistake this management and coaching staff made with OEL.

[donlever]

I assume you mean the media Picker?

Because...

Yeahno, Management is a legit concern.

After watching their presser I was completely underwhelmed and left with limited confidence that those guys are working together harmoniously or have a firm grasp on an overall plan to get this thing set back in place.

Seems a bit of them wallowing in mire to me...

[Strangelove]

Seems a bit of them wallowing in mire...

As our Nucks become a funeral pyre.

[donlever]

You know I wish it were untrue

You know I wish I was a liar

[Carl Yagro]

You know I wish it were untrue

You know I wish I was a liar

If leverAI was to say to you

Cuz, he could get much higher

Seems a bit of them wallowing in mire...

This team, it can only lose

As our Nucks become a funeral pyre.

C'mon baby, light my fire

(Try to set Vancity on fire, yeah)

[Blob Mckenzie]

Management is finally a legit concern? You can't make this shit up.

[Strangelove]

Management is finally a legit concern? You can't make this shit up.

[Hockey Widow]

One of the most troubling aspects is Rutherford is in love with his own voice. You can't shut him up. I feel for Allvin. He would be better off with Rutherford sent out to pasture. Now Allvin has the double speak that most GM's have and has been known, more than once, for throwing players under the bus. But with him I get the sense he has a plan, good or bad I don't know, but he has a plan.

For the health of the team they need to retire Rutherford and tell Allvin it is his show now and give him 2 years to show he knows what he is doing. I don't know if he will succeed but it needs to be his show.

[Cousin Strawberry]

You know I wish it were untrue

You know I wish I was a liar

If leverAI was to say to you

Cuz, he could get much higher

Seems a bit of them wallowing in mire...

This team, it can only lose

As our Nucks become a funeral pyre.

C'mon baby, light my fire

(Try to set Vancity on fire, yeah)

Did you sing it with your back to the audience computer?

[Chef Boi RD]

One of the most troubling aspects is Rutherford is in love with his own voice. You can't shut him up. I feel for Allvin. He would be better off with Rutherford sent out to pasture. Now Allvin has the double speak that most GM's have and has been known, more than once, for throwing players under the bus. But with him I get the sense he has a plan, good or bad I don't know, but he has a plan.

For the health of the team they need to retire Rutherford and tell Allvin it is his show now and give him 2 years to show he knows what he is doing. I don't know if he will succeed but it needs to be his show.

Yup, pretty much agree with this. Allvin’s body language strikes me as being frustrated and constrained to do the job he wants to. Old school vs new school.

[Chef Boi RD]

The Baldies seem to be getting off Scot-free for the failures of this season. It’s all Pettersson and Millers 24/7. It seems to have had nothing to do with having Friedman, Soucy, Deharnais and Juulsen in the top eight defencemen to start the season, and not being able to hold onto a lead for the first half of the season. Not signing Ian Cole and fixing the defence had more to do with missing the playoffs this season than the conflict between JT and Petey. Media idiots dwelling on Pettersson are letting management completely off the hook. Dwelling on an obviously injured and recovering Pettersson is the same mistake this management and coaching staff made with OEL.

Yup, it’s foot in mouth disease, they don’t know when to shut up. It was a stunning moment hearing them say Hughes wanting to play with his brothers, it’s worse than what Allvin said about Boeser at the deadline. It’s concerning. Seems to be a lot of chaos in that office.

[Chef Boi RD]

Pettersson to Buffalo for Norris. Add pieces on both sides. Makes sense to me. Not a Hughes brother but the next best thing.

Norris would be pointless, Quinn wanting to play with Jack and Luke is real. I hope these Jack asses can handle the situation that is beneficial and not detrimental to the long term health of this club. It’s a situation. Should we start a thread called The Situation Room like on CNN? Doc?

[Picker of Cherries]

Personally, more nervous about what they’ll end up giving up for the mediocre centre they’ll get versus not doing anything.
Rather keep Willander than get a Zegras or equivalent. Zegras doesn’t make this team a contender.
They can run with Petey and Chytil as their top two if a player like Zegras is their best addition option.
Worse case of doing nothing is the media is right and Petey fails, Demko and Chytil can’t stay healthy, the Canucks tank, and they get a good shot at McKenna. Could be a great year to retool with that prize available.
Best case Petey returns to form, Chytil and Demko stay healthy and blossom, they get in contention, and add at the trade deadline.
Either case they still have all their young defensemen with a year of NHL development behind them.

[UWSaint]

One of the most troubling aspects is Rutherford is in love with his own voice. You can't shut him up. I feel for Allvin. He would be better off with Rutherford sent out to pasture. Now Allvin has the double speak that most GM's have and has been known, more than once, for throwing players under the bus. But with him I get the sense he has a plan, good or bad I don't know, but he has a plan.

For the health of the team they need to retire Rutherford and tell Allvin it is his show now and give him 2 years to show he knows what he is doing. I don't know if he will succeed but it needs to be his show.

Yup, pretty much agree with this. Allvin’s body language strikes me as being frustrated and constrained to do the job he wants to. Old school vs new school.

I agree Allvin's frustrated and constrained -- and its why I suggested maybe JR is a bigger problem than ownership. Too much meddling from above to get a coherent vision and plan that it seems Allvin would rather develop and execute in coordination with Tochett's feedback and style (as opposed what's up above). I don't know if Allvin's right for the job if he were less constrained, but whoever is in his seat is going to have added problems with this dynamic.

[UWSaint]

Personally, more nervous about what they’ll end up giving up for the mediocre centre they’ll get versus not doing anything.

I think a good argument can be made that the Canucks need to hit a home run to get out of purgatory, and so guys that can blossom into much more than they've been (which happened with Miller) is worth the risk. Zegras hits that "type" -- flashes of excellence, but inconsistency and often frustrating play -- but there's nothing about him or his game that makes me think Vancouver & Tochett is a place where Zegras reclamation is going to happen (if it ever does).

But what I worry about more is that they will add multiple pieces who are better than what exists by a little bit, but don't have significant upside. The Canucks need a difference maker more than they need depth; they've over invested in high floor, low ceiling depth (and just at the time where the marginal benefit of that is decreased due to Abby development). To me, difference maker is a higher priority than position. The Canucks aren't going to have 6 top 6 players; if the 2d line center spot is filled by a two-way swiss army knife but that means one less role player cast as top 6 on the wing, that's okay by me in this hard cap world with dead cap and no major contributing forward ELCs. (Sushi can get there, but I think he's still a year away).