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Hockey Widow wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:29 pm
Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 10:07 am
Hockey Widow wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:43 am
Lancer wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:35 am Tocchet benches Miller in the 3rd. I don't remember seeing him do anything egregious in the first two periods. Anybody else pick up what happened? Points aside, something seems off with Miller. At first, I thought it may be health-related - like when he tweaked something and wouldn't take draws earlier - but Tocchet said the benching had nothing to do with health or injuries.

Tocchet pulled Miller's head out of his ass before. I wager he'll do it again in short order.
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I tend to agree.

Most likely, Miller has got something and he's had it since camp, I think. Tockey's "He is doing everything right"; doesn't need pre-season games is a classic limited hangout. He was doing everything right, vets doing everything right don't need pre-season games -- but the conclusion is implied. Or even if stated, a secondary reason is offered as a primary (hidden) reason where if the hidden reason didn't exist, it wouldn't be contemplated.

Similarly, Tockey gave the answer as to why Miller wasn't out there -- he wasn't someone who Tockey thought could help them get back in the game. The follow up "because he was dinged up?" doesn't change the answer because he was already playing the game dinged up -- it was that it became apparent he wasn't going to be helpful that became the reason he was on the bench. It is a little "depends on what "is" is", but I think they are hiding the nature of the condition and want to end the questioning. The audience to press answers are not the media or the fans (alone or sometimes even primarily). They don't want the opposition to know.

In fact, would it be terribly surprising if most of the team doesn't know exactly what's up with Miller? Somewhat surprising, but can't you see Miller being transparent with coaches and maybe a handful of players but not disclosing because he doesn't want "excuses?" And then, wouldn't the coach's phrasing also be to the guys who aren't fully aware of Miller's condition, "anyone can be benched, any time."

I guess it is also possible Miller really F'ed up that broken PP that couldn't gain entry (and I believe was his last shift) -- but I didn't notice him at all and its hard to imagine a couple failed entries where he doesn't have the puck and isn't the trailer leading to benching when it was the first bad power play of the game and it couldn't be that he kept doing the same damn thing.
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Right now I'm just hoping we can stay close until we get healthy. No Demko, no Boeser, injured Miller, and a flaccid Peter; throw in all of the new additions to the lineup this year and it shouldn't shock anyone that we're struggling right now. I'm anxious to see what this roster is finally capable of if/when we finally get everyone back and healthy.

Keeping my fingers crossed :look:
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Yeah...so they, by all accounts, have not looked very good and have suffered with the injuries/limpdickisms you note, yet are still on 101 point pace.

Read today Demkos return is "imminent" so while unlikely to be immediate, that will clearly help the cause long term (unless he is going to be a career duration injury case moving forward).

On the bright side a couple of young guys are showing some chops.

I imagine tomorrow will bite but all is certainly not lost....

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From Daily Hive:

“It is very clear he has got a lingering injury. He is not 100%. Some think it’s a shoulder injury or in that area,” said CHEK’s Rick Dhaliwal on Donnie & Dhali today.

That is not the only information suggesting Miller is still dealing with a lingering ailment.

“As I understand it, and have reported, Miller’s been dealing with one thing or another all season (at one point I think there were three things at once),” wrote Postmedia’s Patrick Johnston on Bluesky.

The 31-year-old has missed practices this season but the team has not revealed the exact nature of the injuries. Not many specifics are known regarding the situation, but it does appear that he’s hurt.

Besides the lingering injury, Miller has been forced to play without regular linemate Brock Boeser recently. The duo has a lot of chemistry and Miller has struggled to perform at his best without his injured linemate.

Despite all the adversity, Miller has 16 points in 17 games this season. Those are solid numbers but he needs to be more engaged defensively and help drive play for the Canucks to reach their full potential.
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The guy that decided to do that to Boeser has probably taken millions of dollars out of his bank account. That suspension was really light considering everything.
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I'll take the head coach saying injury wasn't a factor in his benching over a couple of hacks speculating.

Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?

There is no mulligan column in the standings or stats.
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Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm
There is no mulligan column in the standings or stats.
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Pretty obvious by his non participation in training camp/pre-season that somethings up with JT.
Tocchet not tipping his hand on the matter is business as usual for any coach.
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Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?
It's a virus locally.

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Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?
Confirmation bias.
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donlever wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:02 pm
Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?
It's a virus locally.

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If he’s injured, rest him. With Petey rounding into form and Demko coming back, I would rather they put him on IR and have him physically fit come later in the season into the playoffs, when they need him healthy the most.

There has been references to his lazy, stagnant play on the PK when Stamkos scored his first as being the last straw for Tocchet’s. Whether Tocchet figured Miller’s shoulder or head was off, he took him off because he wasn’t confident Miller could help out there.

If this is between the ears, and it’s a matter of pulling his head out of his ass, then this should be a quick fix for Miller.

If it’s because he’s too banged-up, just sit him on IR already.
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Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm I'll take the head coach saying injury wasn't a factor in his benching over a couple of hacks speculating.

Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?

There is no mulligan column in the standings or stats.
Maybe he and the Alien are sharing the same mind. It would explain everything.
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dangler wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:42 pm Pretty obvious by his non participation in training camp/pre-season that somethings up with JT.
Tocchet not tipping his hand on the matter is business as usual for any coach.
JT was second to Hoglander in the Camp fitness testing.

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Topper wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:29 pm I'll take the head coach saying injury wasn't a factor in his benching over a couple of hacks speculating.

Why are fans so quick with excuses for the team's or individual's or performance?

There is no mulligan column in the standings or stats.
(1) Miller has seemed not quite himself. Yet Tockey said he was a model citizen in camp. You note his fitness was at an A+ level. (So not a fitness issue). So why not quite himself? Undisclosed injury is a fair inference. Might not be true, but reasoned speculation not just gum on a wall.

(2) Sometimes things are said to excuse, but as often to explain. Some explanations point out what players are failing at, but they aren't hyperbolic or existential. There's not enough to like about the team's play to get excited, there's not enough to dislike to be terribly distressed. Improvements exist in two areas -- forecheck and ability to roll lines -- but there's a little off with the personnel (looking at the second pair), a little more the coaching can do, and a little more that several key contributors can do to play to current ability, and boy I'd like a top 10 goalie instead of what they have (25th in the league in save percentage). But at 75% efficiency its a team playing like its playoff qualifying points percentage, which is a good not great NHL team. Turn it up, and there's potential to get excited about this group.

(3) I really can't improve on the loser point comment....
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