We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)

[rats19]

If a vaccine arrives in under 18 months it means one of two things. We are forcing something into the system and recommending (if not demanding) that people inject it into their bodies without the full and proper testing, OR, we have had it for a while and this was planned.

Agree that it should take 18 months, but the British have modified a vaccine against the original SARS (covid-19 is also known as SARS-CoV2) to address this virus as well, and are already testing it on monkeys. They claim that vaccine could be ready to use by the end of this year. Bit sceptical though. Does it really give enough time for testing on people and proper evaluation?

I'd say the answer to that is a hard NO.

It's strange that people are so inclined to distrust organizations that are there to "help us" eh?

I guess a rat still smells like a rat even if it's smiling and wearing makeup.

(no offence rats)

None taken... thnx Mëds

[Topper]

In a small rural town where the locals continue to preach for complete lock down of all travel, forced mask wearing in public.... and now saying the the schools should have their HVAC systems filtered

Fuck me. How fucking negative and anti social can people get.

Glad to see BC Parks and Rec Commissions are looking at sport, exercise and summer learning outdoor programs.

Now open local and Provincial Parks to day use damn it. The ice will soon be off my local fishing hole.

[5thhorseman]

By labeling this stupid thing the way we have we've done nothing but foment fear and take yet another step backwards away from freedom and towards big government control, censorship, and a bright and shining dystopian tomorrow.

And so it begins ...

Police Deploy 'Pandemic Drone' to Detect Fevers and Enforce Social Distancing

One of the features of the drone platform is being able to tell when people get closer than six feet apart, something that almost looks like Terminator-vision in practice.

Police will be able to deliver a verbal warning through the drone’s speaker to anyone not practicing social distancing.

The drones can detect everything from heart rate to respiratory abnormalities in people on the ground, according to Draganfly, which also supplies drone technology for the Australian military, according to its website.

https://gizmodo.com/police-deploy-pande ... vmjgkMn7ms

[Per]

It's only not "like the flu" because of our immune systems complete lack of previous exposure to it, and it spreads very readily. When the WHO is saying that their models project that at 140 - 225 million people have developed antibodies to this due to natural exposure then this thing kills at a VERY VERY VERY low rate for a "deadly virus".

So if you crunch the numbers on the high end of projections and estimates that the WHO and CDC are putting out there, and we'll just look at the US for now.

Influenza in the US 0.13% mortality.

Covid-19 in the US 5.6% mortality.

It's instantly terrifying.

BUT!

That's only on confirmed cases. That death total is massively inflated in the US because every death where the person has Covid at time of death is being recorded as a Covid death.....even if the person was in hospice and given 2 weeks to live, or even if they died from CLEARLY ALTERNATE CAUSES.....still a Covid death. (You know it's all that under-reporting you keep insisting upon).

So let's look back at the WHO's model. The USA accounts for 4% of the world's population, so of that 3% of people with antibodies they should have 6.75 million individuals who now have those antibodies following natural exposure and immunity processes.

Now it looks like this.....

Influenza in the US: 0.13% mortality.

Covid in the US: 0.8% mortality.

Still worse than the flu? Yep. But not terribly so. And with the way they are reporting Covid deaths in the US, how accurate is this really?

Oh and those figures for Covid don't line up with the global numbers where this thing trucks along at a 0.09% mortality rate if the WHO's models are accurate.

So the spike in deaths right now? It's due to two things, one that nobody's immune system has seen this before, and everyone is getting sick with this critter within about a 4-8 week span of time as opposed to over 4-5 months. If everyone caught the influenza virus all within a few weeks of each other there would be a natural spike in deaths in that several week period.

Yeah, we still have no idea what the real mortality rate for covid-19 is, and we won’t know for quite some time. First of all, no one has a clue to how many have been infected, and secondly, we only have a very rough idea of how many have died from it. Most countries do not include those who die at home or in nursing homes, they only count those who have died in a hospital after being diagnosed with covid-19. But as shown in eg the Financial Times article I posted, the true number is much higher. They estimate it to be roughly 60% higher than what the official reports say. This based on comparing how many have died specific weeks in March and April compared to the average for the same weeks 2015-2019.

The original estimates of the mortality rate were way too high, because they still hadn’t realized that at least half of those infected show no symptoms. They mainly tested those that were so sick they needed to be hospitalized, which is now believed to be roughly 10% of those infected.

I recently heard a professor in epidemiology suggest that the covid-19 mortality rate probably lies somewhere between 0.4 and 1.6. Your suggestion of 0.8 fits nicely into that span, so it’s probably as good a guess as anyone has at this point in time.
But 0.8 means it is six times deadlier than the flu, and make no mistake about it - the flu kills a lot of people!
That’s why we recommend everyone above 60 to get their flu shots.

This disease is roughly twice as contagious and roughly six times as deadly.

It’s not just fun and games.

[Meds]

Yeah, we still have no idea what the real mortality rate for covid-19 is, and we won’t know for quite some time. First of all, no one has a clue to how many have been infected, and secondly, we only have a very rough idea of how many have died from it. Most countries do not include those who die at home or in nursing homes, they only count those who have died in a hospital after being diagnosed with covid-19. But as shown in eg the Financial Times article I posted, the true number is much higher. They estimate it to be roughly 60% higher than what the official reports say. This based on comparing how many have died specific weeks in March and April compared to the average for the same weeks 2015-2019.

The original estimates of the mortality rate were way too high, because they still hadn’t realized that at least half of those infected show no symptoms. They mainly tested those that were so sick they needed to be hospitalized, which is now believed to be roughly 10% of those infected.

I recently heard a professor in epidemiology suggest that the covid-19 mortality rate probably lies somewhere between 0.4 and 1.6. Your suggestion of 0.8 fits nicely into that span, so it’s probably as good a guess as anyone has at this point in time.
But 0.8 means it is six times deadlier than the flu, and make no mistake about it - the flu kills a lot of people!
That’s why we recommend everyone above 60 to get their flu shots.

This disease is roughly twice as contagious and roughly six times as deadly.

It’s not just fun and games.

Just to clarify, my suggested 0.8% was in the USA only where the reporting is ridiculously skewed due to counting a heart attack as Covid because they were found to have it postmortem. The projected numbers based off of the WHO's model is 0.09%.

[Meds]

By labeling this stupid thing the way we have we've done nothing but foment fear and take yet another step backwards away from freedom and towards big government control, censorship, and a bright and shining dystopian tomorrow.

And so it begins ...

Police Deploy 'Pandemic Drone' to Detect Fevers and Enforce Social Distancing

One of the features of the drone platform is being able to tell when people get closer than six feet apart, something that almost looks like Terminator-vision in practice.

Police will be able to deliver a verbal warning through the drone’s speaker to anyone not practicing social distancing.

The drones can detect everything from heart rate to respiratory abnormalities in people on the ground, according to Draganfly, which also supplies drone technology for the Australian military, according to its website.

https://gizmodo.com/police-deploy-pande ... vmjgkMn7ms

I hope some rednecks shoot these things out of the sky.

[Strangelove]

By labeling this stupid thing the way we have we've done nothing but foment fear and take yet another step backwards away from freedom and towards big government control, censorship, and a bright and shining dystopian tomorrow.

And so it begins ...

Police Deploy 'Pandemic Drone' to Detect Fevers and Enforce Social Distancing

One of the features of the drone platform is being able to tell when people get closer than six feet apart, something that almost looks like Terminator-vision in practice.

Police will be able to deliver a verbal warning through the drone’s speaker to anyone not practicing social distancing.

The drones can detect everything from heart rate to respiratory abnormalities in people on the ground, according to Draganfly, which also supplies drone technology for the Australian military, according to its website.

https://gizmodo.com/police-deploy-pande ... vmjgkMn7ms

[Topper]

From a chemical engineer in California that I know.

I'm also looking into the short wave lamp produced UV-C (far UV) radiation which is 100-280nm wavelength.
The reason we don't get this wavelength here on Earth's surface is the atmosphere & ozone block it, so it has to be produced artificially w/ SWL's.
It Is proven to be germicidal, so maybe the application of UV-C light banks may help.
There was something I was mentioning the other week about using UV-C lamps in hospitals about 6" off the ground set to hit the area where the floor & the baseboard meet.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Looks like an unlucky pug was the first dog in the US to test positive for COVID 19.

A pug in the US has been diagnosed with a confirmed case of coronavirus

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... ory/6edd0c


A pug in North Carolina has tested positive for the coronavirus, marking the first known infection in a dog in the United States, according to US media.

The pet, named Winston, was part of a Duke University study on April 1 in which the whole household was tested for the virus, local TV channel WRAL reported.

“The virus that causes COVID-19 was detected” in the dog, Dr Chris Woods, the lead investigator of the university’s Molecular and Epidemiological Study of Suspected Infection, told the outlet, adding that he believed it was the country’s first such case.

In the household, the mother, father and son also tested positive while the daughter, another dog and a cat tested negative. The family’s pet lizard was not tested.

The pug was exhibiting mild symptoms for a few days, according to the mother, Heather McLean.

“There was one day when he didn’t want to eat his breakfast, and if you know pugs, you know they love to eat, so that seemed very unusual,” she told WRAL.

The pug joins the ranks of a Pomeranian in Hong Kong that was the world’s first dog to test positive for the virus in February.

Several cases have since been reported in pet cats and eight tigers and lions in a New York zoo.

Research suggests that dogs are susceptible to infection but appear to be less affected than ferrets or cats, according to the World Organisation for Animal Health.

“To date, there is no evidence that companion animals play a significant a role in spreading the disease,” according to the organisation’s website.

[Megaterio Llamas]

By labeling this stupid thing the way we have we've done nothing but foment fear and take yet another step backwards away from freedom and towards big government control, censorship, and a bright and shining dystopian tomorrow.

And so it begins ...

Police Deploy 'Pandemic Drone' to Detect Fevers and Enforce Social Distancing

One of the features of the drone platform is being able to tell when people get closer than six feet apart, something that almost looks like Terminator-vision in practice.

Police will be able to deliver a verbal warning through the drone’s speaker to anyone not practicing social distancing.

The drones can detect everything from heart rate to respiratory abnormalities in people on the ground, according to Draganfly, which also supplies drone technology for the Australian military, according to its website.

https://gizmodo.com/police-deploy-pande ... vmjgkMn7ms

Of course we've known something like this was coming from a long while back.

[Per]

Yeah, we still have no idea what the real mortality rate for covid-19 is, and we won’t know for quite some time. First of all, no one has a clue to how many have been infected, and secondly, we only have a very rough idea of how many have died from it. Most countries do not include those who die at home or in nursing homes, they only count those who have died in a hospital after being diagnosed with covid-19. But as shown in eg the Financial Times article I posted, the true number is much higher. They estimate it to be roughly 60% higher than what the official reports say. This based on comparing how many have died specific weeks in March and April compared to the average for the same weeks 2015-2019.

The original estimates of the mortality rate were way too high, because they still hadn’t realized that at least half of those infected show no symptoms. They mainly tested those that were so sick they needed to be hospitalized, which is now believed to be roughly 10% of those infected.

I recently heard a professor in epidemiology suggest that the covid-19 mortality rate probably lies somewhere between 0.4 and 1.6. Your suggestion of 0.8 fits nicely into that span, so it’s probably as good a guess as anyone has at this point in time.
But 0.8 means it is six times deadlier than the flu, and make no mistake about it - the flu kills a lot of people!
That’s why we recommend everyone above 60 to get their flu shots.

This disease is roughly twice as contagious and roughly six times as deadly.

It’s not just fun and games.

Just to clarify, my suggested 0.8% was in the USA only where the reporting is ridiculously skewed due to counting a heart attack as Covid because they were found to have it postmortem. The projected numbers based off of the WHO's model is 0.09%.

Considering that blood clots is a symptom of covid-19, it seems quite logical that it will cause heart attacks and strokes.
Why shouldn’t those deaths count?

https://www.health.com/condition/infect ... lood-clots

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.4914556

And you keep saying there is overreporting, but as a comparisson between the number of weekly deaths in the USA in 2020 to historic data shows, there is severe underreporting of covid-19 deaths. Either that or something unknown is killing thousands of people.

I’ve already linked to articles in the New York Times and the Financial Times showing this.

So, if the 300% rise in weekly deaths in New York is not caused by corona, what is it that all these people die from?

More Americans have now died from corona than were killed in the Vietnam war.

[Chef Boi RD]

Cuomo needs to be the President like now. Love this Goomba.

[UWSaint]

And you keep saying there is overreporting, but as a comparisson between the number of weekly deaths in the USA in 2020 to historic data shows, there is severe underreporting of covid-19 deaths. Either that or something unknown is killing thousands of people.

I would expect some of this is underreporting covid-19 deaths. But I expect that some of this is due to the effects of the response to covid-19. When you significantly cripple an economy through business shutdowns and social distancing and when health resources are organized towards a single event, you are going to have health-health tradeoffs. We won't know the extent of that for years. Unemployment, idleness, depression, delayed or avoided medical appointments (oops, I guess that was skin cancer....), babies never made ( ).

By the way, I wouldn't categorize those as "deaths related to covid-19." They are deaths related to public policy. And I am not saying that today's public policy isn't the approach that maximizes health -- we won't know the health tradeoffs for many many years, and flooding the health care system is a real concern that likely made the shut down the right call. I do think, though, that the US has largely operated on a state-by-state approach with respect to shut down policies and that this probably isn't the perfect balance of health-health tradeoffs for a disease that will likely run through the American population before a vaccine is deployed even with social distancing & business restrictions. I hope that there is some study given to whether it would be more effective to (1) quarantine geographic areas with significant outbreaks (units of geography that are smaller than states) and (2) quarantine vulnerable populations as opposed to the one-size-fits all approach that basically maximizes the significant economic and displacement consequences that are being felt now by many people and will be felt for years to come in the form of declining revenue, declining tax revenue, and increase expenditures.

[Strangelove]

Cuomo needs to be the President like now. Love this Goomba.

Lol, Fredo's brother is such a simpleton!

He is totally oblivious to the complexities involved here.

I mean, it's not a question of one way or the other... a certain balance must be acheived!

Cuomo: "One way is potential death, the other is not"

UMMMM. Both ways involve "potential death" at some point. Are you listening? Big picture Andy!

Reporter: "What about all the people out of work?"

Cuomo: "You wanna work? Go get a job as an essential worker!!"

Oh, so there are 26 million essential jobs available right now Andy?

Non hai capito una sega!

Fangul!

[Strangelove]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... d_ms_fb_ma

The man's wife told NBC News she'd watched televised briefings during which President Trump talked about the potential benefits of chloroquine. Even though no drugs are approved to prevent or treat COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, some early research suggests it may be useful as a therapy.

The name "chloroquine" resonated with the man's wife, who asked that her name not be used to protect the family's privacy. She'd used it previously to treat her koi fish.

"I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'"

The couple — both in their 60s and potentially at higher risk for complications of the virus — decided to mix a small amount of the substance with a liquid and drink it as a way to prevent the coronavirus.

"We were afraid of getting sick," she said.

Within 20 minutes, both became extremely ill, at first feeling "dizzy and hot."

"I started vomiting," the woman told NBC News. "My husband started developing respiratory problems and wanted to hold my hand."

She called 911. The emergency responders "were asking a lot of questions" about what they'd consumed. "I was having a hard time talking, falling down."

Shortly after he arrived at the hospital, her husband died.

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/poli ... phosphate/

Apparently police suspect the wife did not take it herself and slipped it into her husband's drink (AKA murder).

(then made up this cockamamie story)

Friends say he was an extremely intelligent man (retired engineer) who would have never taken it knowingly.

Article says the wife has a history of assaulting her husband and emotionally abusing him, and note:

They were anti-Trumpers who donated thousands of dollars to Dem groups and candidates.