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Mëds wrote: ↑Fri Sep 26, 2025 10:53 pm I think that in the progression of a society, citizens are the product of their governments to a point of development, and then the governments start to become the product of their citizens in attempts to maintain holds on position via popular opinion rather than governing based upon law and logic. We are at the latter, IMHO. ....

Good post Mëds, and I think we can add that the corporate world has gone the same way with short outlooks based on the next report. "Gotta show a bigger profit" or our stock will fall, and the CEO will make less money.

Uneducated masses - yes, that's a problem. Until recently, I hadn't realized just how uneducated / illiterate (about 1/2) of the population is. I don't see that improving anytime soon, and with the advent of AI, it will likely get worse.

Education, or lack thereof, especially in the rural red states is the cancer of America and it’s a very large group. It’s shocking hearing some of the shit they believe, formimg the basis of their weird as fuck opinions, Trump the grifter has completely exploited this, tapped into it. Always the opportunist.

Anyhow, this is what years of hammering in WWF, reality tv shows, marvel comics, fast food blah, blah, blah into their farenheit 451 brains has done, all in the name of big box store, corporate America, billionaires. Save the Rich, dumb down the mid class. The Billionaires and their sheeple. They certainly do not want the sheeple to start growing a brain. The cattle must remain for this current state of a drying empire to die. I see no resolution to this. Education is the problem in the states, IMO

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:36 am Education is the problem in the states, IMO

Illiteracy rates are about the same in Canada.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:40 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:36 am Education is the problem in the states, IMO

Illiteracy rates are about the same in Canada.

Oh yeah, I see it everyday. The Maple MAGA - Timmy Trumps are everywhere up here too, and are in general, or what I have found to be, angry people, miserable to the bone, very opinionated but opinions are somewhat uneducated. Fact checking isn’t their strong suit. They just want to hear what their miserable minds want to hear

You seem to be assuming that the illiterate are only on "one side".

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:58 am You seem to be assuming that the illiterate are only on "one side".

Well, good point, they are. I guess, originally, I was referring to how stats show the red states being the areas of America for having the highest amount of “poorly educated”. At least this is what I’m hearing/reading.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:14 am In short, Trump is a version of Trudeau. lol. The righty version. The extreme response.

Looking at this quote from a different angle:

“Intelligent, objective, people, (Non- MAGA) those who thoughtfully considered the matters at hand, saw that for what it was. The under-educated masses (MAGA) could not see the forest for the trees.” - Mëds

Objectivity - Maintaining one's objectivity is the most important job of a judge. Fuck that. Pick a side boys, get on board. The middle? You’re the new woke now

Trump (sadly) is also a product of a badly mangled Democratic Party. The -other- uneducated masses were lining up behind AOC and Biden Harris, etc. The middle had no good alternatives. I don’t understand how a nation of 400 million cannot find better candidates on any side. They all get failing grades ever since Reagan, imo.


Regarding Objectivity and sides, how about we use logic, morals and the law instead?

Morals based on what? Christian theology?

I think the gyst of what’s wrong is immigration in which I am no fan of as well, but immigration over the last few decades isn’t a party problem even though the right like to put this blame squarely on the left. To believe that is what I have a problem with. It’s just people needing to have a boogeyman for all that’s wrong. Immigration has been the result of the demise of the condition of third world regions around the world since world war 2.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:40 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:36 am Education is the problem in the states, IMO

Illiteracy rates are about the same in Canada.

Where are you getting this info Corn?

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 11:09 am

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:40 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:36 am Education is the problem in the states, IMO

Illiteracy rates are about the same in Canada.

Where are you getting this info Corn?

Level 3: The minimum proficiency for everyday life, allowing for understanding of more complex texts, interpreting information, and identifying bias
"Literacy: 51% of Canadians are at Level 3 or above"
https://decoda.ca/insights-from-canadas ... or%20below.

"In 2023, 46% of U.S. adults had a literacy proficiency at or above Level 3"
https://literacycooperative.org/literac ... nd%20trade.

Bitchy Barbie Karoline Leavitt says the Trump Administration will investigate “who is funding Antifa and other violent left-wing groups.”

Antifa is not an organization with dues, Karoline.

Again, since when is anti-fascism a bad thing, ffs.


Clean your house up, MAGA.

“Drain the swamp,” - he says

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:14 am In short, Trump is a version of Trudeau. lol. The righty version. The extreme response.

Looking at this quote from a different angle:

“Intelligent, objective, people, (Non- MAGA) those who thoughtfully considered the matters at hand, saw that for what it was. The under-educated masses (MAGA) could not see the forest for the trees.” - Mëds

See what I mean

Round we round we go

Objectivity - Maintaining one's objectivity is the most important job of a judge. Fuck that. Pick a side boys, get on board. The middle? You’re the new woke now

Unfortunately, under-educated does not always equate to illiteracy.

Drop the majority of your educated leftist cronies into an environment where they don't have access to all the IT comforts, ready made meals in a microwave, push-button lattes, public transit, pre-fabbed shelters, in-home heating and plumbing.....you know..... well most of them would fair far worse than their "MAGA" counterparts who can survive and creatively jury-rig and re-purpose shit on the fly. Sure, your lefties can read good, but that's about all they can do.

Your "Non-MAGA" folks are also equally subjective when it comes to thinking and advancing their own ideals.

Intelligence is not limited to one side or the other, but I would venture to say that the actual intelligence (not just book smarts) is found in the people who are closer to the center, who are able to see the common ground and build on that while letting their differences simply exist but not offend.

You sorta make the case for me regarding literacy not necessarily equating to intelligence, Chef, by asserting that the angle I was coming from needed to be viewed through your "I hate all things conservative" lens.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:37 am Morals based on what? Christian theology?

I think the gyst of what’s wrong is immigration in which I am no fan of as well, but immigration over the last few decades isn’t a party problem even though the right like to put this blame squarely on the left. To believe that is what I have a problem with. It’s just people needing to have a boogeyman for all that’s wrong. Immigration has been the result of the demise of the condition of third world regions around the world since world war 2.

You hate all things Christian, and your reasons are your own.

However, it is undeniable that the further Canada and the US have moved away from the a "Christian moral code", the worse the overall state of our nations has become. The majority of western nations have built their societies with laws that were rooted in that "Christian theology".

Remove that code and what do you have as a moral bedrock?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 3:29 pm

Again, since when is anti-fascism a bad thing, ffs.

What is Antifa's definition of fascism?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:37 am Morals based on what? Christian theology?

What should we base our morals on? Not all morals are equal, and some morals are in opposition. Who decides what morals we use?

If you have a set of morals better than those ones, please share.