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Micky wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:36 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:30 pm

Micky wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:07 pm That contract structure helps the owner out a bit too for a year or so.

What’s this got to do with the owner?? He pays the same in the end.

And lets hope there's fans in the seats and everything is looking way better by the second year of that contract.

Once again, if there is no fans in 2 years (highly unlikely), but if there isn’t, the owner still pays the same.

Fuck, if your insisting on complicating it, if there is no fans in seats in 2 years, most professional teams in most sports will probably be done as most of the gate driven leagues will be bankrupt.

If fans = Jake gets paid the same.
No fans = league is bust and Jake gets paid the same.

What point were you trying to make, because there isn’t one in the comment you made.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:36 pm Right. Not arguing today. I am saying if he has a good year, followed by a bad year, and a guy like rooster is flat every year, who (if they are looking for. A middle 6, 3 million dollar guy) do you take?

Rooster had a tough season last year and will be 31 next month

... with just 1 year left on the contract at X-draft time, then UFA.

I'd take Jake all day if it was a choice between the two.

But hey, we will have a spot for protecting Shotgun no problem, so why worry about it?

True.

Much like last expansion draft I don’t see Vancouver losing a good skater.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:15 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm Blah blah blah.... He would still be far and away the fifth best D man on this team.

"far and away"?

As usual you don't show much faith in Canucks' prospects.

No wonder you can't handle a rebuild!

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm I could give two fucks if the guy came back or not

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why you defend him like the Germans at Normandy!

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm , but Butter Soft Olaf and haggard looking 26 year old Snake Pilisken Rafferty are nowhere near as good at this point. Chatfield, Sautner and Brisebois are terrible. Woo and Ratbones are raw.

If any of those guys are ready, they'll be auto-better than the runt.

(and there's a good chance one of 'em is)

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm Sign a decent D man better than Benn and I’m all good.

But then you won't be able to say Stecher would be #5 on Canucks for the ten-thousandth time.

Does Topper cut up your food for you too?

Is that an ad hominem attack Mr Hargraves?

Topper didn't convince folks Stecher sucks.

Stecher convinced folks Stecher sucks.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm You must think Travis Green is an idiot considering he never gave any of those prospects a sniff last year.

There you go again with that flawed logic: "If they weren't ready last year they never will be ready"

Maybe Green was right in determining they weren't ready last year.

Maybe Green will be right in determining they are ready next training camp.

Have I ever mentioned you don't have the patience for a rebuild?

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm Same ad hominem attacks.

The only part of my post that could be construed as such would be the "you can't handle a rebuild" part

... but that was just me making fun of you for saying dat dere all the time.

(while you sit there in your dirty diaper)

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:53 pm Much like last expansion draft I don’t see Vancouver losing a good skater.

Maybe just someone like Motte or Lind?

ESQ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:34 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:25 pm
Virtanen's QO will be just $3M, if he improves at all he'll be worth it.

If the X-draft were today we'd protect Jake for sure.

Or here's your power-move - trade Jake to Seattle in exchange for selecting Loui

Yeah, I have been thinking of those possibilities.

As I say, GMs will be lining up to give away assets to make this kind of trade.

Covid was probably a blessing in disguise for the fucking seagulls...

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:00 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:53 pm Much like last expansion draft I don’t see Vancouver losing a good skater.

Maybe just someone like Motte or Lind?

The last time folks were stressed about losing Markus Granlund

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:09 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:00 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:53 pm Much like last expansion draft I don’t see Vancouver losing a good skater.

Maybe just someone like Motte or Lind?

The last time folks were stressed about losing Markus Granlund

Or Brendan Gonch

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:58 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:15 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm Blah blah blah.... He would still be far and away the fifth best D man on this team.

"far and away"?

As usual you don't show much faith in Canucks' prospects.

No wonder you can't handle a rebuild!

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm I could give two fucks if the guy came back or not

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why you defend him like the Germans at Normandy!

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm , but Butter Soft Olaf and haggard looking 26 year old Snake Pilisken Rafferty are nowhere near as good at this point. Chatfield, Sautner and Brisebois are terrible. Woo and Ratbones are raw.

If any of those guys are ready, they'll be auto-better than the runt.

(and there's a good chance one of 'em is)

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm Sign a decent D man better than Benn and I’m all good.

But then you won't be able to say Stecher would be #5 on Canucks for the ten-thousandth time.

Does Topper cut up your food for you too?

Is that an ad hominem attack Mr Hargraves?

Topper didn't convince folks Stecher sucks.

Stecher convinced folks Stecher sucks.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm You must think Travis Green is an idiot considering he never gave any of those prospects a sniff last year.

There you go again with that flawed logic: "If they weren't ready last year they never will be ready"

Maybe Green was right in determining they weren't ready last year.

Maybe Green will be right in determining they are ready next training camp.

Have I ever mentioned you don't have the patience for a rebuild?

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:37 pm Same ad hominem attacks.

The only part of my post that could be construed as such would be the "you can't handle a rebuild" part

... but that was just me making fun of you for saying dat dere all the time.

(while you sit there in your dirty diaper)

The only one in a diaper is yourself. You’re in your late 60s for fuck sakes, you leak when you burp and sneeze. Probably spit up a nice tonsil stone too.

Stecher was the least of the teams problems. Ferland, Sutter, Beagle, Louise, Roussel and Benn are all far more expensive and far more useless.

I was calling for a rebuild after the San Jose series in 2013. I have more patience than most. Been a fan since 75. Not as long as yourself who listened to the WHL team in the 50s after the Jack Parr show, but still a long time fan who’s family had seasons tickets for a few years.

None of the prospect scrubs were remotely close to making the team. I guess we can hope two or three of them magically become NHLers all of a sudden. Right now they have 4 NHL d man and Jordie Benn. You need to be 8-9 deep. An injury to a top 4 guy would be crippling

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:10 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:09 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:00 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:53 pm Much like last expansion draft I don’t see Vancouver losing a good skater.

Maybe just someone like Motte or Lind?

The last time folks were stressed about losing Markus Granlund

Or Brendan Gonch

Doc’s words: “Id hate to lose young Gaunce”

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:58 pm You can't handle a rebuild!

I was calling for a rebuild after the San Jose series in 2013.

Call for: YES

Handle: NO

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:25 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:58 pm

Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:36 pm This is really a shit or get off the pot contract. RFA with a $3.4 mil cap hit means a big qualifying offer, , or he goes unqualified. But, he is very affordable this year. And, the best part is we can fit him into the cap with a bit of monkeying around - without- having to dump a contract and assets.

Benning is likely not done, but if he is, the team is in fair shape, and we know the rookies will get a pile of games in. With such a messed up potential year coming up, I am hoping JB stands pat, and plays the pss out of some rookies. He can now wait until things go back to normal, instead of being a seller.

That qualifying offer is what makes him unattractive to expansion. Why spend that kind of money on a QO (if Jake doesn’t perform to contract) when you can get an ‘exactly what you pay for’ in a guy like Rooster instead?

Virtanen's QO will be just $3M, if he improves at all he'll be worth it.

If the X-draft were today we'd protect Jake for sure.

I didn't know they adjusted the QO rules. Glad to hear it, and it makes Jake's contract a bit better.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pm Stecher

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:44 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pm Stecher

Poor lil trojan didn't even make it over the Ambassador Bridge into the Motor City