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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:47 pm
by Tciso
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:00 pm
SCOTUS merely said the Trump administration must "facilitate" the return of Garcia to America.
The Trump administration has facilitated by offering a plane should El Salvador decide to return him.
No "contempt of court" and no "lying" by Trump.
POTUS is learning from Carney.

Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:54 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:00 pm
SCOTUS merely said the Trump administration must "facilitate" the return of Garcia to America.
The Trump administration has facilitated by offering a plane should El Salvador decide to return him.
No "contempt of court" and no "lying" by Trump.
Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen presently in El Salvador.
It is up to them what is done with him.
So Trump wants 5 more prisons in El Salvador for "homegrown" violent criminals, it seems.
Does the equation change when it's an American citizen?
Whaddya think Doc?
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:57 am
by Per
JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:56 am
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:47 am
Print more money to buy it back.
I am not an economist
All you need right there.
Yup. Raise tariffs and print more money. The 1930's are back with a vengeance!
Let's see if the climate change can provide us with a dust bowl as well!
Crash, baby, crash!

Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:06 am
by Per
The current assault on science and on academic freedom in the USA is deeply troubling, but also creates opportunities for other countries to attract top talent. Are we seeing the beginning of a reverse brain drain?
Several leading profiles in academia have already relocated from the US to Canada or France, and there is likely more to come.
A poll among post-docs at US universities found 78% of respondents claiming that their job or position is threatened and/or their research is delayed because of federal actions taken after January 20th of this year.
https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.nationalpostd ... s_repo.pdf
Another poll done by Nature magazine showed that more than 75% of the scientists responding (1211 of 1608) are considering leaving the country. Mainly to Canada or Europe.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y
Here's a translation of an op ed written by the President of the Stockholm School of Economics, Lars Strannegård:
https://www.hhs.se/en/about-us/news/sse ... -the-past/
Excerpts:
Op ed: "Academic freedom in the U.S. is a thing of the past"
17 March, 2025
Academic freedom in the U.S. is under siege, with funding cuts and political interference threatening research. As top scholars look abroad, Sweden has a chance to defend academic independence – and attract world-class talent in the process, SSE President Lars Strannegård argues in an op ed in Swedish daily Dagens Nyheter.
In the ongoing, relentless political turmoil in the United States, uncertainty grows by the day. Financial markets are on edge, waiting for the next blow to land – or be suddenly halted –while the American stock market is falling. The astonishing statements from Trump, Musk, and Vance follow one after another, each more extreme than the last, leaving observers stunned.
Universities and academics in the U.S. find themselves in a quagmire of uncertainty, realizing they are directly in the line of fire. They may have suspected that winds of change were coming, but not at hurricane strength and so immediately. The journal Nature reports that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has halted hundreds of payments to ongoing research projects related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). USAID-funded research on HIV and malaria has suddenly been cut off. Government agencies are announcing that they will not hire students who graduated from universities with DEI programs. The U.S. government is now publishing lists of words that may no longer be used in applications to federal research funders or in presentations on research content.
It is now reasonable to say that academic freedom in the U.S. is a thing of the past.
The idea that applications for research grants are automatically disqualified if using words such as "women" or "obesity" is ludicrous.
Sounds more like the Soviet Union or North Korea than a bastion of freedom.
Here's a list of words that are now to be avoided if you want federal grants:
https://pen.org/banned-words-list/
As the world’s leading U.S. universities are thrown into disarray, Sweden has a potential Einstein moment. During World War II and its aftermath, European talent flowed into the U.S. due to persecution or perceived insecurity. The situation today is reminiscent of that era, but the brain drain may now flow in the opposite direction. With American universities not hiring and a growing skepticism toward elite institutions, academics are starting to look toward other countries. We already know that this year’s recruitment of researchers to the Stockholm School of Economics is seeing an unusually high caliber of applicants. Few industries are as globally mobile as academia. Science is international, Sweden has strong English proficiency, and the quality of life is high. Both the public and private sectors should now come together to establish a strategic talent fund. Perhaps now is the time for Sweden to take inspiration from our neighbors or from Singapore: for every private krona invested, the government matches it with one, two, or three kronor. This incentivizes foundations to contribute, stimulates philanthropy, and fosters a sense of collective purpose. By working together, we also strengthen national cohesion.
From the extraordinary events unfolding in the U.S., a golden opportunity emerges for Sweden. If we act together, we can inoculate ourselves against authoritarian forces. Let’s call it opportunism in the service of democracy. Other European countries will likely not hesitate, so let this happen swiftly. The path to a stronger democracy in our time lies in affirming fundamental values and enhancing our global competitiveness by welcoming top international talent.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:40 am
by Per
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:00 pm
No "contempt of court" and no "lying" by Trump.
No lying by Trump?
That'd be a first!
The man is a compulsive liar. I actually think he doesn't really do it consciously. He just doesn't give a fuck.
He says whatever he feels like saying, pulls numbers out of his ass. Makes shit up.
Whatever feels right at the moment. He gives the crowd what they want to hear.
I'm not even sure he understands the difference between truth and lie.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:23 am
by Cousin Strawberry
The best was him saying "groceries" for the first time in his life. I guess when you have a staff and/or caterers feed you for the entirety of your life it must seem like an odd undertaking to go to a place to procure food that isn't prepared yet
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:11 am
by donlever
Yes, right, Donald J. Trump is the only politician/President who lies/has lied.
Good to know.....
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:17 am
by 5thhorseman
I think most people on this side of the fence would say that the lying is on another level.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:04 am
by donlever
I would counter with more bombastic and blatant.
Clinton's lies, for instance, were/are far more surreptitiously accomplished.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:38 am
by 5thhorseman
Agree with more bombastic and blatant, and would add more damaging. I don't think any President has been responsible for spreading a lie like the 2020 election denial.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:56 am
by rikster
donlever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:04 am
I would counter with more bombastic and blatant.
Clinton's lies, for instance, were/are far more surreptitiously accomplished.
If your "yeah but" is that they all lie, well at least we can agree Trump lies...
I think the debate should be does his level of lying reach pathelogical liar status?
While his business record going back to the 80's is littred with failed business after failed business, what he has proven over and over again is that he is a master marketer...And being a liar/pathelogical liar probably plays a big part in his sucess in marketing himself...
The challenge for him has always been to keep his companies afloat in a legal manner which being a skilled marketer can only do for so long....
We can all excuse character flaws if it betters our lot in life which is maybe why Clinton was admired and respected in spite of his shortcomings which look so minor as compared to what we are witnessing today....
https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov ... s-03.html
Clinton was the last President to balance the budget interestingly, one of the first things Bush did when he got into office was to keep his promise of tax cuts which contributed to the deficit spending that has only gotten higher and higher with each administration...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:27 am
by Per
donlever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:11 am
Yes, right, Donald J. Trump is the only politician/President who lies/has lied.
Good to know.....
Most politicians are prone to exaggerations, omissions and strategic cherry picking, but not all of them will constantly lie about everything.
And Trump does. He lied about graduating at the top of his class (didn’t even make the honour roll), claimed that his grandfather was Swedish (even in print, in the Art of the Deal) even though it is well known he was German, inflated the value of his properties when applying for loans or talking to the media, deflating them when filing taxes, etc, etc. When talking about aid to Ukraine he will double the US numbers and halve the European ones. It’s everything. Even things that do not matter. That’s why it seems pathological and compulsive.
Do you really think that he wins all those golf tournaments?
It’s a bit like Chairman Mao setting a new speed swimming record or Kim Jong Il having five hole-in-ones in 18 holes of golf.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:41 am
by Per
European tourism in the USA has fallen off a cliff, much as the Canadian already did.
This is going to hurt the hospitality industry really bad, and they usually don’t have much of a margin.
Trump believes that the economy is a zero sum game where every win has a corresponding lose, and that you can bully yourself to a victory.
He doesn’t understand win-win situations, he doesn’t understand goodwill or long term consequences.
Why would anyone want to visit a country where the government makes it clear they don’t like foreigners, that they think Europeans are lazy leeches, and that they will detain anyone for the flimsiest of reasons?
Perhaps even send them to a concentration camp in El Salvador or Guantanamo Bay.
With horror stories like these, no wonder people cancel their reservations and go somewhere else:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... 740260007/
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:56 pm
by donlever
Trump constantly lies about everything does he?
Talk about journalistic licence generalizations.
Me stating yeah but would imply I am defending Trump.
Yeahno.
I am not.
Still talking about 2020?
Doc is right.
TDS appears to run rampant.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:15 pm
by Megaterio Llamas
China will stop purchasing Boeing commercial aircraft.
China will further restrict the sale of rare earth minerals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxDWrnQL3fQ
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/china ... ntensifies