Just Not ready

[Meds]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/carson ... carbon-rod

The title of this one is inflammatory, but he raises some good points.

[JelloPuddingPop]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pierre ... ch-reality

He’s not wrong.

Hard to be wrong, when you don't say anything of substance.

I get the impression that Carney really doesn't want a deal with Trump. Good deal or bad deal. I think Carney believes the chaos and animosity to Trump is a good thing politically. He wants a majority, and he believes the path runs through focusing our nation on the USA, and riding a wave of hatred, deserved, or not.

Its a good thing, to diversify Canada beyond Trump/Current USA, as they are WAY too volatile - and that is what he is doing, and trying to do more of. That speech wasn't about the US completely. It was more about telling the EU, and other middle powers, to make the decision to work together, instead of just taking bad deals from the US. Trying to lead other countries towards something better. Not creating hatred.

Lets see if it works. I'm optimistic his approach is a good one.

The majority of the "hate" I see, comes from PP. He is really nothing but an attack dog it seems. Instead of seeing what 90% of the other world leaders saw in that speech, he decides to attack it. Like Trump. One and the same.

[Carl Yagro]

^ Agree, Jello.

They should have diversified long ago. This isn't just about economic realities, but also the real sovereignty of all nations... especially those who have been traditional allies lapdogs of the US.

Yes, he pulled the mask off the Rules Based International Order lie and exposed Canada's (and the EU's) hypocrisy of benefiting off of this unjust system. But he still deserves the praise from the global community for his outstanding speech... even if he still is a globalist banker at heart and continues to believe in and wishes the old order was still in place.

I really didn't expect him or any western leaders for that matter to continue with the same kind of bravado once they get on home soil, but I do hope they see that there is no going back and through action, whether overt or quietly, they actually DO some of what he suggested in that speech.

Fuck the haters like PP, Ford and others, who are only concerned about their positions and not for the well-being of the country and working class Canadians (not the multimillionaire and billionaire class who leeches off your labor).

EDIT: I know we here are so propagandized that we bark loudly at whoever the US deems as an enemy and "security threat". But we're living our daily lives benefiting from those countries labor and trade. Many of the media stenographers voiced the usual propaganda points, but I think what Carney said, 'we have to live in the world as it is, not as we wish it' (maybe I'm paraphrasing this) is the most realistic and pragmatic way to make Canada better again.

Let's not talk about "morals, values, human rights, freedom, democracy" bullshit. The west has projected every atrocity they've committed on the global south. You can find common ground and trade in areas that don't violate these "principles" and create wins on both sides. Canada isn't just a bunch of auto-workers in Ontario. There are 40 million mouths to feed.

The US empire is falling into an abyss and we shouldn't jump in with them like lemmings nor let them drag us into it.

[Topper]

https://x.com/bobzimmermp/status/201448 ... 71821?s=20

[Cousin Strawberry]

Fantastic link Tops.

I am curious though, as a member of OPEC, aren't there restrictions/limits/quotas upon domestic production vs consumption? The OPEC agreement has some caveat in there which ensures most production is exported (to stimulate trade I believe)

If this is inaccurate then it's not the first time lol

[Cousin Strawberry]

These fuckin retarded hillbillies out here are all collecting themselves and voting on a referendum for independence.

One moron in the closest town to us has his F150 decorated with fuckTrudeau this and ban China that rubbish. Some of it says ban the WEF, UN and the AB NDP lol. Nice mix there Cletus

I'd love to see Carney come put in some work in his home province to counter some of this nonsensical detritus

[JelloPuddingPop]

These fuckin retarded hillbillies out here are all collecting themselves and voting on a referendum for independence.

One moron in the closest town to us has his F150 decorated with fuckTrudeau this and ban China that rubbish. Some of it says ban the WEF, UN and the AB NDP lol. Nice mix there Cletus

I'd love to see Carney come put in some work in his home province to counter some of this nonsensical detritus

Wasn't Carney born in NWT?

Might have been raised in AB, but once a Northerner, always a Northerner.

[Tciso]

JPP and Carl, we already have a shit ton of free trade agreements. The evil bastard Harper signed a ton of them. What we don't have is stuff to sell the world. Canada easily could have replaced Russian energy in Europe. They have been begging for it for 4 years. And, morally, we -should- have replaced Russian energy. But, still no pipelines and little progress on LNG. That never was, nor ever will be because of the USA, nor is it because we don't have agreements in place. The same goes for mining products. We have more than enough, but we refuse to get them to market. Can't sell what you can't deliver.

This is not about Poilievre. It is about Carney's lack of action, and the resulting chaos in Canada. Eby is mad at Saskatchewan and Alberta. Alberta wants to separate. Saskatchewan is shipping potash to the states instead of BC. Manitoba is still a shithole. Ontario and Ford don't know if they should pour out whiskey, or protect their auto workers. Quebec is looking to separate again.
No one wants the gun buyback back. The only thing growing in the economy is the line at the food bank.

So, how exactly do I buy a Liberal membership?

[Tciso]

But he (Carney) still deserves the praise from the global community for his outstanding speech... even if he still is a globalist banker at heart and continues to believe in and wishes the old order was still in place.

I think you are backwards on this. Carney wants a New World Order with more global elites, such as himself in charge. Outside of vague platitudes, he hasn't really defined what the New World Order is supposed to ne.

[Meds]

But Topper, end users don’t contribute to emissions, only the producers/manufacturers…..right?

[Cousin Strawberry]

These fuckin retarded hillbillies out here are all collecting themselves and voting on a referendum for independence.

One moron in the closest town to us has his F150 decorated with fuckTrudeau this and ban China that rubbish. Some of it says ban the WEF, UN and the AB NDP lol. Nice mix there Cletus

I'd love to see Carney come put in some work in his home province to counter some of this nonsensical detritus

Wasn't Carney born in NWT?

Might have been raised in AB, but once a Northerner, always a Northerner.

He said himself he was from Edmonton but might have been born in Yellowknife.

[Carl Yagro]

But he (Carney) still deserves the praise from the global community for his outstanding speech... even if he still is a globalist banker at heart and continues to believe in and wishes the old order was still in place.

I think you are backwards on this. Carney wants a New World Order with more global elites, such as himself in charge. Outside of vague platitudes, he hasn't really defined what the New World Order is supposed to ne.

Perhaps you're right. I can't see into the man's heart. I'm only saying the world is glad he made that fantastic speech, even if it's completely self-serving elitism.

But what you're describing really is, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. More or less. It's still about the elites and the 1%, not us normal everyday citizens. I don't think he wants to immediately rip off the mask on this yet undefined "New World Order" and expose the same old, same old.

I'm just hoping the "New World Order" gives us back a few crumbs, a semblance of the old affordable lifestyle without millions around the globe having to suffer and die for it.

Appreciate you being so polite towards my backwardness

[Carl Yagro]

It is about Carney's lack of action, and the resulting chaos in Canada.

Well, it isn't just Carney in this regard. Where is the action from any politician other than making fanciful speeches? That's literally their jobs. How much of a mess and the resulting chaos did True Dope leave that no Liberal or Conservative will be able to neatly clean up?

After that amazing statesmanship shown (ie. lots of talking), let's see if he can actually fulfill some of those ideals into action. I'm not even expecting completion, just actually starting to do something different.

Opponents will scream, but none of them would have started any of these "proposals" any faster. Maybe give a little bit of time before we put his expensive loafers to the fire. He's probably really tired from talking so much.

At least the world has a little more respect for Canada now for having a leader who can actually speak coherently. They don't think this new guy is a clown. That's a start.

[JelloPuddingPop]

JPP and Carl, we already have a shit ton of free trade agreements. The evil bastard Harper signed a ton of them. What we don't have is stuff to sell the world. Canada easily could have replaced Russian energy in Europe. They have been begging for it for 4 years. And, morally, we -should- have replaced Russian energy. But, still no pipelines and little progress on LNG. That never was, nor ever will be because of the USA, nor is it because we don't have agreements in place. The same goes for mining products. We have more than enough, but we refuse to get them to market. Can't sell what you can't deliver.

This is not about Poilievre. It is about Carney's lack of action, and the resulting chaos in Canada. Eby is mad at Saskatchewan and Alberta. Alberta wants to separate. Saskatchewan is shipping potash to the states instead of BC. Manitoba is still a shithole. Ontario and Ford don't know if they should pour out whiskey, or protect their auto workers. Quebec is looking to separate again.
No one wants the gun buyback back. The only thing growing in the economy is the line at the food bank.

So, how exactly do I buy a Liberal membership?

I totally get your resentment with the Liberal Gov. I'm on board Tciso. And willing to have a discussion, as you, unlike another poster on this board, show that you can move past the past and have good sense.

Trudeau's politics (if you can call them that) were some of the worst things that have happened to this country. It created a lot of divide, where there was once great pride in being Canadian. His handling of the Pandemic, the far left social agenda bullshit that Governments shouldn't be involved in (other to ensure equal rights for all under the law etc. etc.). We-Scandal. Not sure I've ever seen a worse leader.

It takes time to rebuild that level of corruption, ineptitude and nepotism.

Carney has a minority Government, that is less than a year old. and I'm sure a smart guy like you understands how slowly the wheels turn on these things. He is the 1st Prime Minister of Canada never to have held elected office, a political newbie. Likely way more cautious than someone who has built a political network within the party and still finding who his "friends" are - and how to best leverage them in the party.

I think he has already started doing great things:

-Committed to reduce the Government by a 40,000 person head count.
-Signed an MOU with Alberta, and will likely use Bill C-5 to do so. Whatever you might think of that bill, and the powers it gives - hey, its a way to get by Eby, and the FN to do something Canada really needs.
- He is finding his allies, and turfing the rest - like the Climate Activist Stephen G.
- He has signaled that Canada is open for business, and wants to work with anyone. Perhaps even overlooking their human rights/environmental issues, for the economic benefit of Canadians, not just a bunch of SJWs in minority.
- He has halved the temporary resident admissions (Indian students declined by 32% YOY in 2025, and 52% fewer arrivals to Canada as whole) and still going.
- He reversed the Trudeau government's capital gains tax increase.

I'm not going to argue each policy outlined, just wanted to provide examples of how different this Liberal Gov. is from the last. Night and Day.

I'm not saying he is the greatest leader since Lincoln, or Mandela, or Churchill. I don't even know if he is a good one yet. Just willing to listen, learn and pay attention - while giving his Government time to work.

[Meds]

It is about Carney's lack of action, and the resulting chaos in Canada.

Well, it isn't just Carney in this regard. Where is the action from any politician other than making fanciful speeches? That's literally their jobs. How much of a mess and the resulting chaos did True Dope leave that no Liberal or Conservative will be able to neatly clean up?

After that amazing statesmanship shown (ie. lots of talking), let's see if he can actually fulfill some of those ideals into action. I'm not even expecting completion, just actually starting to do something different.

Opponents will scream, but none of them would have started any of these "proposals" any faster. Maybe give a little bit of time before we put his expensive loafers to the fire. He's probably really tired from talking so much.

At least the world has a little more respect for Canada now for having a leader who can actually speak coherently. They don't think this new guy is a clown. That's a start.

In Canada, right now, it is about Carney, and his ability to get the Liberal caucus in line with what he just said. The other politicians have no power. People can call Pollievre nothing more than an attack dog, but they seem to forget that that is the role of the official opposition. They are supposed to hold the government’s feet to the fire. If you remove that part of the dynamic then most of the general population won’t even pay attention to the inaction of the elected government.

PP does need to change it up next election though. He needs to actually campaign, not just run out the attack dog shtick.

Full marks on the “articulate” comment.

Also have to appreciate that we have a PM now who is actually there to talk about foreign relations and trade rather than just his socks.