Ownership and Management

[BoS]

It's why I still buy boxes of corn pops and count chocula

No it’s not.

[Cousin Strawberry]

It's why I still buy boxes of corn pops and count chocula

No it’s not.

[Ronning's Ghost]

I wouldn’t say we’ve really hit a home run with Patty and Jim drafting.

That's only a flaw if there was still a home run left on the board to be had when the Canucks drafted (after the fashion of, say, Pastrnak). It's early yet, but there's no indication so far that happened.

The next couple years we need to hit a couple out of the park, just don’t know if Corporate Petey and the old man have the muscle to do it.

I don't know that they do, either. I'm just saying that, for all their other mistakes, we also don't know that they don't.

[donlever]

They've worked in Management elsewhere.

What is their combined draft history with respect to success/failure....

....or diid the old codger just rob cradles back then.

[BoS]

Jim’s draft history with Pitt 2014-2021

Top players drafted based on games played:

Kasper Kapanen 541
Daniel Sprong 374
Sam Lafferty 367
Dominic Simon 256

Yes, he won two cups. But his abysmal draft record over 8 seasons is a big reason the Pens haven’t remained competitive this whole decade.

[donlever]

Thanks for looking that up.

Explains Lafferty and Sprong for sure.

Blech is all I can say.

[Carl Yagro]

Holy shit, that is not good data, BoS.

Clearly all Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fleury. Btw, I would take a 40yo UFA Malkin to be our 1C on a 2-year contract anyday over anything we have here right now.

What did he do in Carolina? Too lazy to check.

OMG, Frank, you need a new GM before the draft.

[donlever]

Eric Staal
Cam Ward
Jeff Skinner
Jack Johnson
Brandon Sutter

[Meds]

He was also a part-owner in Hartford/Carolina.

[Carl Yagro]

Ok, I give JR due credit for his 20 year tenure in that organization.

He did draft 6 guys that were on the 2006 cup-winning team (Cole, Vasicek, Wallin, Ward, Staal, Ladd). He did well in adding pieces to get them the cup.

The drafting after that was fairly average, imo.

[Cousin Strawberry]

The old man took Filthy Giuseppe and Brock McGunt in the second round of the 2012 draft before nabbing Jacob Slavin at pick 120.

He's dug up some gems over the years but his true calling is making trades that don't really move the needle (like Jordan Staal for Brandon Sutter...) He's the original Trader Jim.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Btw, I would take a 40yo UFA Malkin to be our 1C on a 2-year contract anyday over anything we have here right now.

I agree. I suggested that kind of signing in The Rebuild - What it should look like thread.

But I think that both to get him to sign, and for the Canucks to get full value from the signing, the understanding should be that the Canucks trade him to a contender at the deadline,

[donlever]

Malkin?

He considers Sid a brother and wants his son to regard him as family..

He was never going anywhere.

[Aaronp18]

Jim’s draft history with Pitt 2014-2021

Yes, he won two cups. But his abysmal draft record over 8 seasons is a big reason the Pens haven’t remained competitive this whole decade.

Yeah not the best look, but a devils advocate would say even during that time his highest draft pick was 21st and they only had 2 in the first round during that tenure.

Regardless, it doesn't bode well for a rebuild and he doesn't look to be very good at darts. As it would seem he was brought here to get us back to the top, we are now headed the other direction.

Which is exactly why it's time to move on!

[Meds]

With the word "rebuild" actually coming from the lips of a Prez/GM combo, and neither of them have been fired in the month that has passed by since they uttered it, do you think that ownership is finally coming to their senses?

What we know.....

Frankie has opposed a rebuild since Gillis suggested one in 2012.

Frankie has been advised by more than one hockey mind that a rebuild is required.

Frankie is motivated by money and rumors abound regarding the financial state of the Aqua family with the departure of little brother.

Frankie covets playoff gate revenue like few others.

Since first being told a rebuild was required the Canucks have made the playoffs twice (bubble excluded as there was no gate revenue). That is 11 games of playoff gate in the last 13 seasons.

The team is in last place, has traded two core pieces in under a year, and the chances of the current Vancouver Canucks making the NHL playoffs next season is only slightly higher than the Vancouver Goldeneyes' chances of doing the same.

Has Aquaman finally awoken to the fact that staying the course will mean another 13 years of the same and now he's finally willing to risk the rebuild in hopes that 5 more years of all but guaranteed hockeyless springs will result in multiple years of playoff hockey?

Did he finally lose long enough?