The Petey Predicament

[donlever]

But Donnie - he's a ranger now, so I just hope he and the rest of the team fail.

Fair enough....

I'm just not one to bash players who were good soldiers for us and moved along, Miller (and Kesler as I have previously stated on more than one occasion) are on that list.

[rats19]

Fair enough....

I'm just not one to bash players who were good soldiers for us and moved along, Miller (and Kesler as I have previously stated on more than one occasion) are on that list.

Corn loathes rangers…. JT is now loathed.

Loved him here till…

[Cornuck]

Rats gets it.

[donlever]

Yeah...we all get it....not the point at all though.

[donlever]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRXbzEBD ... RlejlrNWht

[Cousin Strawberry]

Mëds is wanking and crying in the corner to that clip

[Carl Yagro]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRXbzEBD ... RlejlrNWht

You can't get more fair than that.

You don't perform, there's going to be criticism. No excuses, no victimhood like all the fault lies with others, take responsibility and play better... even if it's focusing on other areas if not getting the points. You want to be The Man, you gotta be A Man.

When it's deserved, you get the praise and bouquets tossed at your feet.

Nothing to do with right or wrong sides, has to do with facts.

[Meds]

Fair enough....

I'm just not one to bash players who were good soldiers for us and moved along, Miller (and Kesler as I have previously stated on more than one occasion) are on that list.

Corn loathes rangers…. JT is now loathed.

Loved him here till…

I would be more on Corn’s page had JT chosen the Rangers over the Canucks in free agency. He didn’t. He elected to sign for below market value to stay. He very likely could have tested the waters and found a more lucrative contract elsewhere…..like maybe with the Rangers.

[Meds]

Mëds is wanking and crying in the corner to that clip

Not at all.

I call a spade a spade. Always have. Doesn’t mean I don’t hope the spade can surprise me and turn into a Diamond.

[Carl Yagro]

This JT Miller bashing is on par with the worst of the EP criticism last year.

The guy came to the City, gave a shit (a characteristic a few Canucks over the years could have used), played hard (yeah, yeah 98% of the players in the league have their shit moments), scored some big goals as well as over a point a game during his tenure, integrated his family into and developed a love for the City then signed a below market value deal to finish his career in Vancouver and try and help us win a Cup.

Pretty jaded thankless bunch Canuck fans seem to be (not directed at you or any one specific Lancer, but rather an overall commentary) .....

Bingo.

...and this all began with the media trashing the trade of a 1st rd pick when they wanted the last regime to weaponize cap space to rebuild, not retool. Trevor quitting apparently still didn't help them realize how the owner operates.

All the online lemmings from that point forward would dogpile the player whenever they could. Hmmm... incessant dogpiling is bad, right?

For those who salivate over EPs stats, it's funny to downplay the second best ppg in Canucks history. It's funny to cheer wildly for some of the most lazy, selfish, overrated and genuine arseholes this franchise has known... including players and management, butt Fuck... this guy, this fucking guy...

Added to the your comments above, you have to begrudgingly agree with other fan bases that Van media and fans are some of the worst in the league.

Yup, the guy was loud, moody, frequently obnoxious I'm sure (but ok if it's directed to our idiot media in my books) and his own worst enemy is his low EQ and immaturity. I don't think anyone could question his loyalty and desire to win for this city and team.

I also believe many of his teammates were sincerely sad to see him go, as was JR to have to make that decision. Otherwise, nobody would have welcomed him back with dinner before the game. Same goes with those friends and neighbours who were happy to see the Miller family again. Yes, their entire family wanted to come back to Van.

As I said, as a man of the people, whenever I'm down there at the games or in the hood, I enjoy chatting to the fans and they all appreciate the blue collar mentality of the guy... very different than what you hear from the media or trolls. The chants during the games? You know who it's for.

Point is, if you dislike dogpiles, you should hate all dogpiles, amirite?

As an asside, just watch a short from JPat with a title about Fickle Canuck fans wanting a tank and rebuild. Can't they sniff their own abject hypocrisy?

[Lancer]

This JT Miller bashing is on par with the worst of the EP criticism last year.

The guy came to the City, gave a shit (a characteristic a few Canucks over the years could have used), played hard (yeah, yeah 98% of the players in the league have their shit moments), scored some big goals as well as over a point a game during his tenure, integrated his family into and developed a love for the City then signed a below market value deal to finish his career in Vancouver and try and help us win a Cup.

Pretty jaded thankless bunch Canuck fans seem to be (not directed at you or any one specific Lancer, but rather an overall commentary) .....

My point wasn’t necessarily to bash on Miller per se on its own merit, but to counter the whole “Management traded the wrong guy” argument when criticizing management keeping Petey.

“Good Miller” earned his fan-favorite status, and bought him some patience when “Bad Miller” showed up. Like I said, he could flip the switch at any point and “Good Miller” comes back - for however long that lasts.

I’m just saying management finally realized that they couldn’t manage “Bad Miller” any more - regardless of whether or when “Good Miller” would come back- and that folks in the “should have kept Miller crowd” may want to check what they wish for.

[Tciso]

I agree, Lancer. JT almost seems bipolar with his play and attitude. It's hard to know when he would fade out. Much like tarana's core 4 in a 1st round series, you hope for more consistentcy from your top guys.

[donlever]

My point wasn’t necessarily to bash on Miller per se on its own merit, but to counter the whole “Management traded the wrong guy” argument when criticizing management keeping Petey.

Yep...like I said...not directed at you or anyone else, just a general comment.

I’m just saying management finally realized that they couldn’t manage “Bad Miller” any more - regardless of whether or when “Good Miller” would come back- and that folks in the “should have kept Miller crowd” may want to check what they wish for.

Maybe...or perhaps they would have preferred to keep JT but the roi on EP was less than what we got for Miller....

...perhaps EP could not be moved without retention and they didn't want to do that.

Picking 20 game stats and snippets of shifts from social media to lambast a player is pretty weak especially if it comes from a Canuck fan (again no one here specifically) who sheltered EP40 over his 18 month plus of living in the doldrums.

(...bad EP using the Miller vernacular I suppose...)

Either way, ScooterDoodle has stepped his game up in a big way, hope he keeps it up...it will obviously be a major factor in the success of the team and may indeed be a key cog in keeping QH around.

[Carl Yagro]

I have to say Lancer makes a good point...

Sightings of "Bad Miller" is more frequent when the team is not doing well. Instead of resolve and effort, he often gives in to frustration and outbursts.

"Good Miller" on the other hand, is a rare breed in the league that all (good) teams want to have.

As to Don's point...

"Maybe" the returns of EP was just so poor that there's no incentive to move him. "IF" the Necas/KockNiemi was actually a thing or close, then there's no "right guy/wrong guy" scenario. This team would be inherently better and deeper (not necessarily a contender).

At the very least, the old coach I believe, would still be here.

Since one party has refused any more marriage counselling and returns didn't make sense, the other guy had to go regardless of what garbage came back.

Who knows? I only know that there is only ONE "right guy"... QH. Everyone else is expendable. I've always maintained that.