Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Chef Boi RD]

Quinn
Burke
Milford
Nonis
Neale
Allvin
Benning
Gordon
Keenan
Gillis

All day long

[Blob Mckenzie]

Milford was a clown. Tiger and Jerry Butthair for 700 goals. He should have been shot.

Milford was a loser.

[Chef Boi RD]

Tiger Williams is a legend. Derlago was a fall down drunk. Had to be banned from a well known bar in town by his GM.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Garbage post. I'm friends with a few of his cousins. Amazing athletes and people one and all. I could tell you a few stories about Tiger. Everyone drank and did drugs back in the day but you shit on Vaive and Derlago because Milford came into the dressing room after you got skullet tossed by Gillis and Holland and you guys had the same hairlines and you got to sit on his knee and pull a quarter out of his ear.

[Chef Boi RD]

Garbage post. I'm friends with a few of his cousins. Amazing athletes and people one and all. I could tell you a few stories about Tiger. Everyone drank and did drugs back in the day but you shit on Vaive and Derlago because Milford came into the dressing room after you got skullet tossed by Gillis and Holland and you guys had the same hairlines and you got to sit on his knee and pull a quarter out of his ear.

Tiger and the old man were good pals, he loved that establishment at Powell and Main and both were members of the north shore winter club and played old timers hockey together. Derlago, was a hardcore drunk, couldn’t handle his booze. He was well on his way to Lupulville, trust me, he was the reason Milford made Powell and Main off limits

[Blob Mckenzie]

They were all pisstanks. Milford was like Lou Grant to you with long fingers and some lotion. Hexwore a robe and you sat on his knee. Tha trade was an abortion. Tiger became the 6th toughest guy on the team and rode his stick.

[Meds]

So is the idea then to trade a bunch of former GM's (some posthumously) in order to get the best management team we can possibly get?

Because that seems like the only way that all this Benning vs Gillis vs Burke vs Nonis vs Quinn vs etc....is actually topical in this here thread.

[Chef Boi RD]

Best trade in canuck history - Burke’s Sedin coup

Worst trade in Canuck history - Jack Gordon’s Neely debacle

Best centre trade in Canuck history - Benning landing on Miller

Best D-man trade in Canuck history - Burke landing Jovanvski

Best goalie trade in Canuck history - Nonis stealing Luongo

[Ronning's Ghost]

Worst trade in Canuck history - Jack Gordon’s Neely debacle

Worst trade in Canuck history - Vancouver Canucks acquire Adam Clendening; Chicago Blackhawks acquire Gustav Forsling

The Neely trade carries additional emotional resonance on this board because Neely was the type of player most of the posters here like to cheer for and always wish we had, but at least the Canucks got some value back on that one.

Compounding the Forsling/Clendening error with an honourable mention in worst-trades-in-Canucks-history, Clendening, along with Bonino and a draft pick that would would turn into NHL regular Filip Gustavson, was in turn exchanged for Brandon Sutter (a player whose perceived value was grossly inflated by the name on his sweater) and a draft pick that would turn into Will Lockwood, who never became an NHL regular.

So the whole concatenation became: a defenceman who went on to win 2 Stanley Cups (so far), and centre who went on to win 2 Stanley Cups, and a goalie who has played 5 NHL seasons so far (2nd best save% in the League in '22-'23), for a centre who was brought in to provide grit and leadership and provided neither (nor any Stanley Cups, nor any future trade value).

Compared with that, an exciting power forward who would win no Stanley Cups as a player in exchange for a competent centre who would return future trade value is a minor mistake.

[Chef Boi RD]

Then after toiling 3 years in the bowels of Chicago’s farm system the Carolina Hurricanes acquired defenseman Gustav Forsling from the Chicago Blackhawks on June 24, 2019, as part of a trade. In exchange for Forsling and goaltender Anton Forsberg, the Blackhawks received defenseman Calvin de Haan and forward Aleksi Saarela. Then two years later in 2021 the Hurricane had seen enough of Forsling and waived him where the Panthers claimed him off the wire, seven years later from when the Canucks had drafted him in 2014.

[Ronning's Ghost]

...seven years later from when the Canucks had drafted him in 2014.

And Cam Neely hadn't shown anything special in three years prior to trading him away, either -- otherwise, he wouldn't have been available at that price. People lamenting the Neely trade are disappointed over what he became, not what the Canucks gave up in the prior 3 seasons.

So clearly, the fan standard for worst trades encompasses what the players given up would go on to accomplish with their new clubs.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Virtanen.....

Jake was a not a terrible pick in the moment. He was a power forward, something the Canucks desperately needed, who could skate like the wind, and also had a very heavy shot. I think some blinders may have gone on because of his hometown proximity to the big club. What made him a bad pick is that he was a top-10 selection that was not BPA. So long as there are no glaring character issues (Ho Sang), you have to go with skill and IQ in those spots and trust in biology (that the draftee will physically develop into a body that can handle the rigours of the NHL).

Yah, I would agree with Jake's skillset package (size, shot & speed), but I think his IQ was lower on and off the ice. If he was smarter off the ice, he wouldn't have put himself in that compromisable sitation that prematurely put an end to his NHL career. On the ice, it seemed like he wasn't smart enough to recognize that he needed to continue to work on his conditioning to compete in the NHL. He was making baby step and getting a bit better every year. That season when he scored 18G, I thought he was one one of our better forwards that year and he seemed rdy to build on it. However, after that Covid lockdown, he lost all that mojo and never looked the same ever again. Maybe after the team rewarded him with that decent contract of $2.5M, he thought he made it, took it all for granted and started to get lazy.

Towards the end there, I questioned if Jake really wanted it as well. A guy like Matt Cooke made it cuz he worked his butt off and played like every shift was his last. I never saw that desperation in Jake. There were times Jake looked a power forward who could fuq guys up, but there were also times that he kinda seemed intimidated out there. Just wish he had that a-hole mentality like Bert44 or Raffi Torres, they just play hard and if they see a chance to finish their check, they'll do it and if shit happens, whatever, they'll deal with any repercussions. If Jake was smarter to work on his weaknesses and if he simply wanted the NHL more, I think he could have easily carved out a career like Torres or S.Lafferty. A good 4th liner who could play in the middle 6 when he was on his game.

Compounding the Forsling/Clendening error with an honourable mention in worst-trades-in-Canucks-history,

So the whole concatenation became: a defenceman who went on to win 2 Stanley Cups (so far),

Yah, u make some good points, losing Forsling does suck. I think our mgmt thought Olaf JuJu Juolevi was supposed to be our guy though and deemed Forsling expendable. It was definitely a huge mistake. I don't feel that bad though. I mean, as mentioned, Forsling bounced around as a couple of teams gave up on him after us and he was placed on waivers. If we really wanted him back, we could have easily reacquired him with minimal assets.

Neely also become an elite power foward, star player that is so rare and every team covets. Forsling has become a great D-man, but I think there are lots of D-man out there of his caliber. Also, don't think Neely's Bs teams were as good as the Panthers Stanley Cup teams, think the Bs were pretty much a one line team during that time.