Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[JelloPuddingPop]

That has to be a consideration for management when you're committing the next 7 years to a player.

They did consider it. And signed him. And JT.

This is definitely on Mgmt., they screwed the pooch on this one big time. I honestly think it should have cost them their jobs, if they can't solve this one, Van is set back years.

I'm just now saying, the best thing for Van is for Petey to get back to the player he was or close to it. You aren't going to trade him for a #1 Centre in this league now, or they would have done it I'm sure. You might get an "up and coming" #2 centreman... or some other winger etc. But that leaves a HUGE hole at centre.

Sure they could mortgage the farm, trade the #1 pick, Willander, D Petey, Hronek and whoever for a #1 - but this isn't good for any sort of long term growth.

Best case scenario for fans of this team is a resurrection of Petey. Period. Find a #2, and build from there.

[Diehard1]

That has to be a consideration for management when you're committing the next 7 years to a player.

They did consider it. And signed him. And JT.

This is definitely on Mgmt., they screwed the pooch on this one big time. I honestly think it should have cost them their jobs, if they can't solve this one, Van is set back years.

I'm just now saying, the best thing for Van is for Petey to get back to the player he was or close to it. You aren't going to trade him for a #1 Centre in this league now, or they would have done it I'm sure. You might get an "up and coming" #2 centreman... or some other winger etc. But that leaves a HUGE hole at centre.

Sure they could mortgage the farm, trade the #1 pick, Willander, D Petey, Hronek and whoever for a #1 - but this isn't good for any sort of long term growth.

Best case scenario for fans of this team is a resurrection of Petey. Period. Find a #2, and build from there.

Sure - but they already have a huge hole at center with a guy making $11.6 million for another 7 years that scored 45 points last year. He seems to have little to no desire to work out and get himself into shape, the absolute minimum for a pro athlete, yet we're all just supposed to hope that he somehow gets some drive back. If I'm running the team I'm not betting on that. I've had surgery for tendinitis before so I know very well how much it sucks to work out with it, yet I worked out all the time and pushed through that pain for almost 20 years before my elbow finally broke and required surgery. I was 35 when that happened and definitely not a pro athlete but was in amazing shape because I worked at it. Petey should be doing that just because he wants to be the best and not because he's getting paid but that doesn't seem to be his M.O.

I completely agree the best thing would be for him to get back to his old self but the new Petey is now a more than 100 game sample size, including a playoffs where he was a complete no show with 1 goal in 13 games. I think it's highly likely that the new Petey is the real one. I could for sure be wrong about this and Petey could come back and be amazing again - who knows? I just don't think it's a given that he's a #1 center, or even a #2 center, he might be the #3 center he was last year going forward.

The one thing is they have to get this right - if he's still garbage next year then you've got massive problems. If you trade him now you could probably get a few decent assets for him still, but not if he's bad next year. Not an easy call to make and unless he's back to the 90-100 point guy he was before I'm not sure there's a way for this management team to get out of this.

[JelloPuddingPop]

I think my point being - is you hope he can rebound, and you can make hay during the Quinn years. If he doesn't, Van is cooked.

If you trade him. Van is cooked.

The return will be some middling assets that just won't move the needle enough to compete. The difference between assets if you trade him tomorrow vs. with his NMC kicked in isn't going to be a big difference. At least in terms of short-term compete.

If as you say, this is the new Petey. Fire management, trade everyone (Petey, Quinn, Hronek etc.) for picks, prospects. And rebuild. Then see you in another 5-7 years.

[Chef Boi RD]

Sufferin Succotash. You ain’t winning no Elias Pettersson trade. He’s a devalued asset based on current production vs current costs. The so-called tire kickers out there obviously ain’t offering up a decent package otherwise he’d a bin traded by now.

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[Chef Boi RD]

Regarding the Demko/Philly rumours. The Flyers have 3 first round picks, the 6th, 22nd and the 32nd.

I’d try for the 6th straight up and draft a centre from this group - Frondell, Desnoyers, Martin, O’Brien or McQueen. If the 6th ain’t up for grabs I’d ask for centre prospect Luchanko and the 22nd overall. Draft a centre like Reschny, Cootes or Bear with the 15th and goalie Ravensbergen with the 22nd.

[rikster]

I think my point being - is you hope he can rebound, and you can make hay during the Quinn years. If he doesn't, Van is cooked.

If you trade him. Van is cooked.

The return will be some middling assets that just won't move the needle enough to compete. The difference between assets if you trade him tomorrow vs. with his NMC kicked in isn't going to be a big difference. At least in terms of short-term compete.

If as you say, this is the new Petey. Fire management, trade everyone (Petey, Quinn, Hronek etc.) for picks, prospects. And rebuild. Then see you in another 5-7 years.

No hope needed for me, he wil rebound to the player he has always been and the lockeroom issues have only made him a better player...

The Chef may correct me, but the hope for the centres in this years draft is that they will reach the 45 point mark in the next 2 or 3 seasons and it's unlikely that they reach the point per game level that is expected of Pettersson...45 points being the number Pettersson recorded in his disastourus season...

The hope is that Demko can stay healthy and for me he is the big question mark this offseason....Demko is part of the leadership group and wonder where he stood in the Miller/EP drama and if the outcome encourages or sours his desire to resign....

Overall as it stands today I think that they are a better team than they were entering training camp last season...

And do rebuilds ever get done in 5-7 years?

Take care...

[JelloPuddingPop]

Overall as it stands today I think that they are a better team than they were entering training camp last season...

Due to the lack of drama in the room? Not sure I'm 100% in agreement here, but interesting take. Centre depth is certainly worse, defense better and perhaps a healthier Demko. I see the reasoning I think.

And do rebuilds ever get done in 5-7 years?

Not sure they get done in 5-7 years, but any competent management group can get a team to start competing for the playoffs in 5-7 years for sure. Then it's about core-growth, adding missing pieces and competitive window. Most would be into watching that part I think.

[rikster]

Overall as it stands today I think that they are a better team than they were entering training camp last season...

Due to the lack of drama in the room? Not sure I'm 100% in agreement here, but interesting take. Centre depth is certainly worse, defense better and perhaps a healthier Demko. I see the reasoning I think.

And do rebuilds ever get done in 5-7 years?

Not sure they get done in 5-7 years, but any competent management group can get a team to start competing for the playoffs in 5-7 years for sure. Then it's about core-growth, adding missing pieces and competitive window. Most would be into watching that part I think.

I'm just taking the sky is not fallling attitude of so much of our media and a percentage of the fan base...

Yes they need a number 2 centre, but then again other than the Cup finalists which teams have a true 1 and 2 centreman and if the answer is few if any then how much do you hold back the Canucks for this shortcomming?...

Not only is the blueline better but assuming that Demko doesn't get moved the net will be better because Demko will have had a full offseason of training and not training/rehabing and fingers crossed will be healthy but the farm team is much better and has some options for the parent team and for management ...

Assuming that there is no lingering issues the drama can only make the team better for going thru it...

Take care..

[Chef Boi RD]

Everything hinges on which Petey we get next season? The moody malcontent lone wolf gamer with attitude or the Petey of before. I’m almost convinced he’s staying, you can’t trade him at his current shit value, his contract scares all teams. If we see the same shit as we did last season, then this team is in big time trouble with having the leagues worst top 2 line centre depth. Hughes ain’t Superman, I could care less how good our defence and goaltending is in which I don’t think is “spectacular”, that certainly ain’t enough to make up for our shit top two lines.

[Picker of Cherries]

New trade target:
F Lucas Pettersson signs ELC with the Ducks (3 years, $869.05k AAV)

[Strangelove]

No hope needed for me, he wil rebound to the player he has always been and the lockeroom issues have only made him a better player...

[theman]

Revisiting the Demko "possible" trade, if the oil came begging, what would they have to offer to even seriously tempt the Canucks to trade him to a division rival?

Obviously McJesues and Draibaby would not be coming back, what else could they seriously tempt the Canucks with?

[Lancer]

Revisiting the Demko "possible" trade, if the oil came begging, what would they have to offer to even seriously tempt the Canucks to trade him to a division rival?

Obviously McJesues and Draibaby would not be coming back, what else could they seriously tempt the Canucks with?

That's the thing, anyone who makes sense on the Canucks' roster moving forward is almost certainly someone the Oilers don't want to lose. I mean, a return centred around Hyman may make sense, but everybody in Edmonton was bemoaning his absence in the Finals.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditch one of their two core pillars if the return promises a more solid roster a-la Florida. Can you imagine them trading Draisaitl to Carolina for a haul?

[theman]

Revisiting the Demko "possible" trade, if the oil came begging, what would they have to offer to even seriously tempt the Canucks to trade him to a division rival?

Obviously McJesues and Draibaby would not be coming back, what else could they seriously tempt the Canucks with?

That's the thing, anyone who makes sense on the Canucks' roster moving forward is almost certainly someone the Oilers don't want to lose. I mean, a return centred around Hyman may make sense, but everybody in Edmonton was bemoaning his absence in the Finals.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditch one of their two core pillars if the return promises a more solid roster a-la Florida. Can you imagine them trading Draisaitl to Carolina for a haul?

Drai (+ a high pick) for Demko and one of our young D studs. Who says no?

[Lancer]

Revisiting the Demko "possible" trade, if the oil came begging, what would they have to offer to even seriously tempt the Canucks to trade him to a division rival?

Obviously McJesues and Draibaby would not be coming back, what else could they seriously tempt the Canucks with?

That's the thing, anyone who makes sense on the Canucks' roster moving forward is almost certainly someone the Oilers don't want to lose. I mean, a return centred around Hyman may make sense, but everybody in Edmonton was bemoaning his absence in the Finals.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditch one of their two core pillars if the return promises a more solid roster a-la Florida. Can you imagine them trading Draisaitl to Carolina for a haul?

Drai (+ a high pick) for Demko and one of our young D studs. Who says no?

If that were to come to pass, I don't think you'd see Vancouver sneering at it but it would be hard to fit his cap, Petey's (unless you offload him and consider Drai an upgrade on Petey) and Hughes' anticipated extension even with the cap going up. Essentially they'd be running into Edmonton's perennial bind in having so much cap space tied up in so few players with nothing left to bring in support.

You think about it, after Pittsburgh's last Cup almost ten years ago virtually all the champions have boasted deep and talented rosters with exceptional goaltending - and only one or two mega-stars taking up cap space. Not since Pittsburgh have we seen a team constructed like Edmonton or Toronto win it all. I would argue Pittsburgh is a deceptive comparable because they got lucky in drafting Letang (who, at a similar age, was better than anyone in Edmonton or Toronto) and Fleury, and so enjoyed competing while they were on ELCs. Edmonton and Toronto were not so good/lucky at the draft.

If it's a matter of upgrading on Petey by getting Draisaitl and trading Petey for a cheaper 2C and a top-6 winger upgrade, then I don't see many saying no in Vancouver. Besides, it would make the Edmonton-Vancouver rivalry much more fun to watch.