Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Meds]

At least he’s talking hockey and not just dropping coilers all over the thread for his contributions.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Hi All, been traveling lots lately for work but back now. I don't pretend to be an insider but I've heard a few things recently from people who are in the know:

- Canucks want to and are trying to trade Petey this summer. The Sedin twins referred to him as 'uncoachable' and management doesn't believe in him anymore. I can't say I blame them!

Diehard, how would you rank the legitimacy of this? It’s hard to decipher which rumors are false and which are true, or should I say, are legit.

I was sworn to secrecy on who told me, but let’s just say it was somebody who knows the owner well.

Diehard with the secret squirrel waffle cone scoop complete with a DQ swirl on top

Chef if you listen to the details it was almost 100% Tocket resisting the Peterson extension. I doubt Alvin has much say in tectonic level moves like the elevenpointsix extension.

If you listen to frank the tank interview today you'll hear that the 11.6 price was deemed a team win as there were all sorts of rumours swirling of a contract that started with a 12 or 13.

Teams will be calling to get the distressed asset for cheap because everyone knows the risk the Canucks are taking by hanging on to the malcontent little twat.

The little fucker will almost certainly go off for his new team when he gets away from the drama

[Chef Boi RD]

Hi All, been traveling lots lately for work but back now. I don't pretend to be an insider but I've heard a few things recently from people who are in the know:

- Canucks want to and are trying to trade Petey this summer. The Sedin twins referred to him as 'uncoachable' and management doesn't believe in him anymore. I can't say I blame them!

Diehard, how would you rank the legitimacy of this? It’s hard to decipher which rumors are false and which are true, or should I say, are legit.

I was sworn to secrecy on who told me, but let’s just say it was somebody who knows the owner well.

Diehard with the secret squirrel waffle cone scoop complete with a DQ swirl on top

Chef if you listen to the details it was almost 100% Tocket resisting the Peterson extension. I doubt Alvin has much say in tectonic level moves like the elevenpointsix extension.

If you listen to frank the tank interview today you'll hear that the 11.6 price was deemed a team win as there were all sorts of rumours swirling of a contract that started with a 12 or 13.

Teams will be calling to get the distressed asset for cheap because everyone knows the risk the Canucks are taking by hanging on to the malcontent little twat.

The little fucker will almost certainly go off for his new team when he gets away from the drama

Yeah, 11.6 is on Rutherford. If they had originally dealt Petey for that Carolina deal, kept Miller, Tocchet is still coaching in Vancouver. A comedy of errors, sadly. Now we are about to try and get out from under 11.6 with what I imagine will be an ultra shitty return. Hard to believe we were once the envy of the league with three legit top 2 line centres in Petey, Miller and Horvat. Now? It’s in shambles. How in the fuck do you trade two top 2 line centres in Horvat and Miller and the forwards you get in return for those two are forwards named Beauvillier, Raty, O’Connor and Chytil? One is gone (Beauvillier) and another has a head like Ferland (Chytil). So, Raty and O’Connor is what we replace those two with. Fuckin’ hell. Now we are trying to trade the last centre of those three, the very one we should’ve traded instead of the other two. This is worse than the back to back Schneider and Luongo trades. From a position of strength to a position of shit, overnight!

[Cornuck]

Yep ^

Dealing from a position of weakness again. No other GM is going to do us a favour. Management made this mess, they need to get themselves out of it. It's a salary dump first and foremost.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Absolutely @Chef. This Geezer has pitched a comedy of errors since he arrived in town.

And yeah @Cuz, Scooter will make any deal look bad at first, it's bound to happen.

[Chef Boi RD]

Yep ^

Dealing from a position of weakness again. No other GM is going to do us a favour. Management made this mess, they need to get themselves out of it. It's a salary dump first and foremost.

At this point the best I’m hoping for is we don’t have to retain any of his contract. But we definitely will be receiving a player with a hefty contract in return. I don’t think we are getting anything spectacular in return. As Friedman says, they know what the offers are, meaning - not very good.

They are in a pickle, they need to avoid the NMC that kicks in in July like it’s the plague. Pettersson won’t do us any favours if he has control of his destination, he’s a fucking douche bag.

[Chef Boi RD]

Keep hearing the Sabres as a destination for Pettersson. Rumours they are shopping Tuch - RW - (UFA 2026), Peterka - RW - (RFA), Byram (RFA) and Power ($8.35 million per).

Doesn’t necessarily solve the centre ice with any of them.

[theman]

Keep hearing the Sabres as a destination for Pettersson. Rumours they are shopping Tuch - RW - (UFA 2026), Peterka - RW - (RFA), Byram (RFA) and Power ($8.35 million per).

Doesn’t necessarily solve the centre ice with any of them.

How good is Power? Is he still projected to be better than any of our 3 young D?

[Chef Boi RD]

Keep hearing the Sabres as a destination for Pettersson. Rumours they are shopping Tuch - RW - (UFA 2026), Peterka - RW - (RFA), Byram (RFA) and Power ($8.35 million per).

Doesn’t necessarily solve the centre ice with any of them.

How good is Power? Is he still projected to be better than any of our 3 young D?

Recent discussion on Owen Powers game. It’s got warts.

https://sabrenoise.com/sabres-need-more ... any-longer

[rikster]

Yeah, 11.6 is on Rutherford. If they had originally dealt Petey for that Carolina deal, kept Miller, Tocchet is still coaching in Vancouver. A comedy of errors, sadly. Now we are about to try and get out from under 11.6 with what I imagine will be an ultra shitty return. Hard to believe we were once the envy of the league with three legit top 2 line centres in Petey, Miller and Horvat. Now? It’s in shambles. How in the fuck do you trade two top 2 line centres in Horvat and Miller and the forwards you get in return for those two are forwards named Beauvillier, Raty, O’Connor and Chytil? One is gone (Beauvillier) and another has a head like Ferland (Chytil). So, Raty and O’Connor is what we replace those two with. Fuckin’ hell. Now we are trying to trade the last centre of those three, the very one we should’ve traded instead of the other two. This is worse than the back to back Schneider and Luongo trades. From a position of strength to a position of shit, overnight!

Or maybe Tochett was part of the problem?...

And lets not forget that this was not Millers first rodeo, so lets see how things play out in New York for him with all of their drama and sh*it shows before we blow the gasket on EP who when you look over his career stats has had one season which stood out from the rest which was last season....

https://capwages.com/players/elias-pettersson

I have no issues with the return from the Miller trade to the Rangers and subsiquent deal with the Penguins, and it is interesting that the UFA and RFA they got in the Penguins deal both signed new contracts in Vancouver in spite of the state you think the organization is in...

So we have gone from a position of strength at the centre position to a position of strength on the blueline in large part because Alvin dealt Horvat which led to the aquisition of Hronek and Miller which led to the aquisition of Pettersson not to mention Mancini .......

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sc ... h-canucks/

This comment from the article is a good reminder of where the team was with EP, Miller and Horvat in the lineup...

Days from the deadline, it was a curiously timed move for a Vancouver team that was 24-31-5 and nowhere close to the playoff picture, 19 points behind the wild card

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As for the coaches who have left, good organizations identify and hire quality coaches and mangement and its a compliment to Alvin and Rutherford that a number of their hires are desired around the league...

If you look at their departure as a poor reflection on the state of the franchise, then I guess you don't think that they can identify new quality coaches to replace those who have left...

Take care...

[Diehard1]

Keep hearing the Sabres as a destination for Pettersson. Rumours they are shopping Tuch - RW - (UFA 2026), Peterka - RW - (RFA), Byram (RFA) and Power ($8.35 million per).

Doesn’t necessarily solve the centre ice with any of them.

Yep Sabres make a lot of sense - Petey is good buddies with Dahlin and Buffalo is not a place stars want to go, so getting a guy signed long-term is attractive. They also have lots of youngish assets that the Canucks would like to get their hands on. Also remember that Alex Tuch’s wife is from Vancouver so perhaps the family may be interested in getting back out here - as a guy who spent time in Buffalo when I lived out east and now live in North Van about 10 minutes from where my wife grew up I know that wives can dictate where a family lives. Tuch has 1 year left on his deal so a decision needs to be made on him this summer given Buffalo is not exactly a contender.

One thing to note on the Petey speculation, I was told they were trying to trade him but that doesn’t mean they will be successful. I’m guessing they have a high price but hopefully somebody can meet it.

[Meds]

Keep hearing the Sabres as a destination for Pettersson. Rumours they are shopping Tuch - RW - (UFA 2026), Peterka - RW - (RFA), Byram (RFA) and Power ($8.35 million per).

Doesn’t necessarily solve the centre ice with any of them.

One thing to note on the Petey speculation, I was told they were trying to trade him but that doesn’t mean they will be successful. I’m guessing they have a high price but hopefully somebody can meet it.

If the Sedin’s saying he is uncoachable is more than just a rumour, you move him regardless of the return. Uncoachable players are team cancers. You get out from under that contract because keeping him sends the message to players that individual trumps team…..$11.6M is expensive postage.

I can’t see us ever developing young talent here with an uncoachable guy raking in that much cheddar.

[theman]

I agree that Buffalo makes a lot of sense as a trade partner, it also gives the Baldies a chance to "FU" to F Petey for his poor attitude.

Power coming back in a trade does not scare me that much, Chef I did read the link so thanks for that. Bryam does due to his concussion history, I would stay away from a guy like that. Although I am also not sure I would be trying to bring back a D is this kind of trade. I would rather try to bring back other assets that would allow the Canucks to get Necas or Norris from their specific teams.

Ironically Buffalo could also be in the market for a goalie too.

Something like:

F Petey, Demko, Hogs for Tuch, Petereka, Buffalo 1st round pick (9 OA), Power (cap reasons) +++++.

Trade some of the assets for Necas and/or Norris. Chytil could come into play here to help out a cap crunch team, I am assuming his contract is insured.

[Meds]

I agree that Buffalo makes a lot of sense as a trade partner, it also gives the Baldies a chance to "FU" to F Petey for his poor attitude.

Power coming back in a trade does not scare me that much, Chef I did read the link so thanks for that. Bryam does due to his concussion history, I would stay away from a guy like that. Although I am also not sure I would be trying to bring back a D is this kind of trade. I would rather try to bring back other assets that would allow the Canucks to get Necas or Norris from their specific teams.

Ironically Buffalo could also be in the market for a goalie too.

Something like:

F Petey, Demko, Hogs for Tuch, Petereka, Buffalo 1st round pick (9 OA), Power (cap reasons) +++++.

Trade some of the assets for Necas and/or Norris. Chytil could come into play here to help out a cap crunch team, I am assuming his contract is insured.

Are you suggesting we send that package to Buffalo and then turn around and send half of those assets back to them?

Just asking, cuz, ummm…..well, Norris plays for Buffalo…..

[theman]

I agree that Buffalo makes a lot of sense as a trade partner, it also gives the Baldies a chance to "FU" to F Petey for his poor attitude.

Power coming back in a trade does not scare me that much, Chef I did read the link so thanks for that. Bryam does due to his concussion history, I would stay away from a guy like that. Although I am also not sure I would be trying to bring back a D is this kind of trade. I would rather try to bring back other assets that would allow the Canucks to get Necas or Norris from their specific teams.

Ironically Buffalo could also be in the market for a goalie too.

Something like:

F Petey, Demko, Hogs for Tuch, Petereka, Buffalo 1st round pick (9 OA), Power (cap reasons) +++++.

Trade some of the assets for Necas and/or Norris. Chytil could come into play here to help out a cap crunch team, I am assuming his contract is insured.

Are you suggesting we send that package to Buffalo and then turn around and send half of those assets back to them?

Just asking, cuz, ummm…..well, Norris plays for Buffalo…..

Shit, still had him with Ottawa.

Something like:

F Petey, Demko, Hogs ++++ prospect/mid round pick for Tuch, Petereka, Norris, Buffalo 1st round pick (9 OA), +++++.

Trade some of the assets for Necas. Chytil could come into play here to help out a cap crunch team, I am assuming his contract is insured.

Revised my proposal. Deleted Powers from that trade proposal as Canucks don't really need D and cap should be okay this way.