Just Not ready

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Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:35 pm
2Fingers wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:22 pm
The vaccine “mandates” were, and are, the very definition of evil.
That is your opinion, when the whole world was trying to grasp what was going on they did the best they could.
ROTFLMAO. "they" did very little to grasp what was going on. Hell, we were not even allowed to discuss where or how the virus got started. "they" did use it as an opportunity to put in a shit pile of restrictions that "they" knew didn't do anything useful. Many of the "they" mainly used it as an opportunity to push their "new world order" agenda, so if that is what you mean by "best they could", then you are correct.
What are you talking about?

Who are they and what is this new world order?
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rikster wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:43 pm
Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:35 pm
2Fingers wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:22 pm
The vaccine “mandates” were, and are, the very definition of evil.
That is your opinion, when the whole world was trying to grasp what was going on they did the best they could.
ROTFLMAO. "they" did very little to grasp what was going on. Hell, we were not even allowed to discuss where or how the virus got started. "they" did use it as an opportunity to put in a shit pile of restrictions that "they" knew didn't do anything useful. Many of the "they" mainly used it as an opportunity to push their "new world order" agenda, so if that is what you mean by "best they could", then you are correct.
What are you talking about?

Who are they and what is this new world order?
Why bother. You will just disagree anyways.
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Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:17 pm
rikster wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:43 pm
Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:35 pm
2Fingers wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:22 pm
The vaccine “mandates” were, and are, the very definition of evil.
That is your opinion, when the whole world was trying to grasp what was going on they did the best they could.
ROTFLMAO. "they" did very little to grasp what was going on. Hell, we were not even allowed to discuss where or how the virus got started. "they" did use it as an opportunity to put in a shit pile of restrictions that "they" knew didn't do anything useful. Many of the "they" mainly used it as an opportunity to push their "new world order" agenda, so if that is what you mean by "best they could", then you are correct.
What are you talking about?

Who are they and what is this new world order?
Why bother. You will just disagree anyways.
You seemed pretty adamant and very informed so thought I'd missed something...
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By the time vaccines became available much was understood of COVID. It's method of transmission and it's demographic severity rates. This was not the early days of opening Amazon packages with disinfected tongs. Vaccines were never about prevention, they were only about limiting the degree of illness and symptoms.

Not making this clear was the greatest misinformation of the entire time. Or health organizations need to own that.

Mandates were so urgently needed that the government of the day, instead of implementing them, waited through a two month election process before implementing them.

They were a political wedge issue, nothing more.
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rikster wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:26 pm
Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:17 pm [
Why bother. You will just disagree anyways.
You seemed pretty adamant and very informed so thought I'd missed something...
Yes, I think you have missed something.
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The energy of so many pacemakers in one place

https://x.com/ryangerritsen/status/1908 ... efYkw&s=19
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This is kind of an interesting delve into Canada from a historical perspective.

For those with the time to spare :)



Canada at a crossroads w/Matthew Ehret (Live) https://www.youtube.com/live/DRXOCKLYLv ... m-vr9tAnZB
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Whenever I hear someone defend CBC, I wonder if they know Peter Gzowski is dead and rural Internet streaming is a thing.
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Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:27 pm The shit we did with Covid would have left us all dead if we had a highly contagious virus with a high mortality rate instead of a nasty flu that was hard on the old, weak, and immuno-compromised (like all other flus).
I take offense at this falsification of history.

My wife and I were in good health, 57 years old, no pre-existing conditions. I may have been slightly overweight at 90 kg, but my wife was not. We’d both ride our bikes to work and take long walks with our dog. Pretty healthy lifestyle.

I spent ten days in an induced coma on a ventilator, my daughters were told I would probably not come home.
My wife was 28 days on the ventilator before they gave up and turned it off on May 20th 2021.

I’ve had the flu. This was no fucking flu.
It hit different people very differently and they still don’t really know why.

I was neither old, weak or immunocompromised, and neither was my wife.
The sad thing is she was a RN, but working at a school. If she had been working at the hospital she would have gotten the vaccine and would be alive today.The vaccine had arrived, but was only available for hospital and health centre staff, people 65 and older and risk groups. A few weeks later it was made available for everyone, but by then we were already hospitalized.

I spent a total of six weeks in the hospital. I still get out of breath when I walk uphill.
I’m fine really, I work full time, I lead a full life, but I don’t think my lungs are quite what they used to be.
My lung capacity is 3.6 litres. I don’t know what it was before covid, but my daughter has 6.0 litres.
They consider anything above 3.5 in the normal range. Still. Assuming it is somewhat hereditary, and men on average have higher capacity then women, as a non-smoker I really ought to have more than 3.6.

When people try to pretend that covid was nothing I say FUCK YOU!
It ruined my life. I lost my wife, that I had been together with for 34 years.
I miss her. If it hadn’t been for covid, we’d still be together.

To giggle and shrug it off as a nasty cold is deeply offensive to me.
It killed my wife. It almost killed me.

My youngest daughter still suffers from postcovid. If she works out at the gym she gets a fever that can last for days.
It is extremely frustrating for her as she used to be a soccer player but can’t do sports anymore.
They haven’t been able to give her a proper diagnosis, just that it is something autoimmune, but whatever it is it was triggered by covid.
She had a few sessions with a PT that has given her a number of exercises that will help her build strength and stamina without triggering the fever, but any kind of running or exhaustion is out of the question.
They estimate that five percent of those that had covid have some sort of post covid problems.

Covid was not a joke!

Take a look at this video. You can quite clearly see the impact of covid on the chart of the change in life expectancy over time
Canada did good. The UK and the USA - not so much. It took two years out of the American life expectancy.
But yeah, Trump’s handling of the pandemic was a true clusterfuck. And the spread of conspiracy theories didn’t help.

https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeautyofdata ... 2073742625

There’s a flu every winter. They do not show up in the charts the way covid did.

So, anyway, when people make light of covid and say it only killed the weak and the elderly, it feels like they are spitting on my wife’s grave. And I don’t take kindly to that! :evil:
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So sorry for your loss Per and what your family went thru and is still going thru ...

Like you and your family, my wife and I are very active...

We don't smoke or drink, between the gym I had built in my house and our walks and bike rides we exercise 7 days a week, sometimes twice a day...

I'm fortunate in that I've never had Covid19 at least not that I know but my wife has and is still suffering from long Covid which means that she catches every germ she is around and gets sick along with some other issues....

Her doctor thinks it might be an auto immune issue, if I understand correctly its dormant in our bodies and can be triggered by an event which they think for her getting Covid was the trigger...

Unlike your daughter, when she isn't sick she can workout with no problems...

We are heading to a clinic in Malaysia next year to have our annual physicals done and get a second opinion...

When Covid19 first appeared I read the John M Barry book, The Great Influenza, on the 1918 pandemic and what you learn is that the reaction to the pandemic was pretty much the same as the 2019 pandemic...

Unfortunately like our pandemic they had their deniers, they had politicians who used the crisis for political gain and fortunately the majority who took it very seriously....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUFBLt7nit4
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Per, I feel for you and your family. But, I do stand by my previous statement, at least regarding Canada, as I am not as familiar with how other nations dealt with it.

In Canada, we never took boarder security seriously. We never had useful controls when needed, and we had ridiculous controls when we didn't need them. We shut down all debate on its origins, and on treatments. All of that was political and not based on science or medical best practices. Canada has dozens of other examples of politics over effectiveness.

To make it worse, we have learned absolutely nothing, and done nothing to prepare for the next event. Hell, it was reported that the Canadian government trashed several thousand extra ventilators recently. Canada chose maximum inconvenience and divisiveness over effectiveness every time.

If Covid has a mortality rate 5 or 10 times higher (as many plagues had, and as initial predictions expected it could be), our initial inactions and actions would have killed millions in Canada alone.

I am not down playing the effects of Covid. I am just saying our political driven response did little to protect those most at risk, and caused the most divisions in society as possible. The 2nd part was intentional. The first part...I hope it was just incompetence and not intentional.
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Per wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:03 am
Tciso wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:27 pm The shit we did with Covid would have left us all dead if we had a highly contagious virus with a high mortality rate instead of a nasty flu that was hard on the old, weak, and immuno-compromised (like all other flus).
I take offense at this falsification of history.

My wife and I were in good health, 57 years old, no pre-existing conditions. I may have been slightly overweight at 90 kg, but my wife was not. We’d both ride our bikes to work and take long walks with our dog. Pretty healthy lifestyle.

I spent ten days in an induced coma on a ventilator, my daughters were told I would probably not come home.
My wife was 28 days on the ventilator before they gave up and turned it off on May 20th 2021.

I’ve had the flu. This was no fucking flu.
It hit different people very differently and they still don’t really know why.

I was neither old, weak or immunocompromised, and neither was my wife.
The sad thing is she was a RN, but working at a school. If she had been working at the hospital she would have gotten the vaccine and would be alive today.
Per, your loss is tragic, but I’m sorry to say that there is absolutely no way to claim your statement as a fact. People who were in poorer health than both you and your wife somehow survived without a vaccine, while others, like your wife, did not.
I spent a total of six weeks in the hospital. I still get out of breath when I walk uphill.
I’m fine really, I work full time, I lead a full life, but I don’t think my lungs are quite what they used to be.
My lung capacity is 3.6 litres. I don’t know what it was before covid, but my daughter has 6.0 litres.
They consider anything above 3.5 in the normal range. Still. Assuming it is somewhat hereditary, and men on average have higher capacity then women, as a non-smoker I really ought to have more than 3.6.

When people try to pretend that covid was nothing I say FUCK YOU!
It ruined my life. I lost my wife, that I had been together with for 34 years.
I miss her. If it hadn’t been for covid, we’d still be together.

To giggle and shrug it off as a nasty cold is deeply offensive to me.
It killed my wife. It almost killed me.

My youngest daughter still suffers from postcovid. If she works out at the gym she gets a fever that can last for days.
It is extremely frustrating for her as she used to be a soccer player but can’t do sports anymore.
They haven’t been able to give her a proper diagnosis, just that it is something autoimmune, but whatever it is it was triggered by covid.
She had a few sessions with a PT that has given her a number of exercises that will help her build strength and stamina without triggering the fever, but any kind of running or exhaustion is out of the question.
They estimate that five percent of those that had covid have some sort of post covid problems.

Covid was not a joke!

Take a look at this video. You can quite clearly see the impact of covid on the chart of the change in life expectancy over time
Canada did good. The UK and the USA - not so much. It took two years out of the American life expectancy.
But yeah, Trump’s handling of the pandemic was a true clusterfuck. And the spread of conspiracy theories didn’t help.

https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeautyofdata ... 2073742625

There’s a flu every winter. They do not show up in the charts the way covid did.

So, anyway, when people make light of covid and say it only killed the weak and the elderly, it feels like they are spitting on my wife’s grave. And I don’t take kindly to that! :evil:
Some people have the same experience with influenza that you had with Covid. Many people over the age of 55 will have reduced lung capacity and long term sequelae from bacterial and/or viral pneumonias.

My son is 11, he just had pneumonia last month that was neither COVID nor influenza. He’s been a competitive swimmer for 3 years, and he’s a good one. Right now both he and his coaches have told us that any of the breath holding drills make it abundantly clear that his lungs took a beating and are still recovering.

The fact that you and your wife both were so stricken by Covid, coupled with the fact that your daughter also has suffered severely, and long term, from it suggests a genetic susceptibility to COVID.
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They say history repeats itself and when it comes to public health and safety governments often play a game of Russian roulette...

Following the bird flu outbreak in 2005, the US created the PREDICT program as an early warning pandemic system which hunted for viruses......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predict_(USAID)

It ran out of funding in late 2019 and was closed down by President Trump in March 2020 ...

Had it still had scientists on the ground in Wuhan, China in October 2019 it would have heard the early chatter of an air borne virsus that can spread from human to human...

Canada had its own version of Predict which was highly respected around the world but like Predict it cost lots of money to maintain and was also shuttered over time and eventually closed down as politicians decided to spend the money elsewhere...

With the vaccine denier, I mean former vaccine denier running the Department of Health in the US we are seeing a bulldozer being taken to Health Agencies and programs designed to keep Americans safe....

Seems that history is repeating itself and the Trump administration has decided to play another game of Russian roulette...
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Considering the way they shuttered all information out of Wuhan, I highly doubt it would have made a difference.

Considering the decisions that our Canadian government made regarding travel restrictions, it would not have made a difference here. Trudeau refused to shut the door on Chinese travel because it would be discriminatory.

You can have every conceivable program in place to mitigate something like this, but as soon as politicians get involved those programs mean absolutely nothing.
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