Canucks News N Notes 24-25

[Strangelove]

Also, any coach coming into a team with a superstar who pouts when he can't play the way he wants is going to have an uphill battle, and it's not going be easy to get the team to buy-in when that player is being coddled.

See that Donny, and this coming from the Swedehater!

But Mëds, have we firmly established he "pouts and needs to be coddled"?

[Meds]

Also, any coach coming into a team with a superstar who pouts when he can't play the way he wants is going to have an uphill battle, and it's not going be easy to get the team to buy-in when that player is being coddled.

See that Donny, and this coming from the Swedehater!

But Mëds, have we firmly established he "pouts and needs to be coddled"?

Dammit. I forgot the quotations.

[Chef Boi RD]

Why should we be so surprised regarding Sprong. I worry about Allvin and Rutherford’s ignorance regarding the book on players, they seem to feel they can make players better here under Tocchet. Fuck the reclamation projects, read the fucking book on players oncr in while, trust the word on the street, ffs. Complete waste of time and money.

Legendary

[2Fingers]

I am at the point of not carrying who gets traded. Just make a deal so the team can move on from this mess.

The return has be good regardless of who is moved.

[Chef Boi RD]

I am at the point of not carrying who gets traded. Just make a deal so the team can move on from this mess.

The return has be good regardless of who is moved.

100% 2Fingers. The baldies should’ve dealt with this sooner, now it’s festering plaguing the culture of the room. It stinks worst than Doyle’s hamper. It has now become a Royal distraction. Brian Burke just came out saying he’s shocked they’ve let it get to this point. Saying every team has this stuff going on but it’s usually dealt with quickly and never allowed outside the room in the hands of the media and fans. If I’m Aqualini I’m taking a flame thrower to Rutherfords office then cooking a cannoli on the embers followed up with a nice glass of Chianti.

[donlever]

If I’m Aqualini I’m taking a flame thrower to Rutherfords office then cooking a cannoli on the embers followed up with a nice glass of Chianti.

Frank Slade Aquilini...

[Meds]

I am at the point of not carrying who gets traded. Just make a deal so the team can move on from this mess.

The return has be good regardless of who is moved.

If the mess you're referring to is the player currently being paid $4M more than his performance is worth, then yes.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Sure, it's easier. But unless the roster is constructed properly it is often fruitless...

I've had my problems with this roster construction for so long that I can't imagine that anyone on this board is interested in reading about it any more.

But my point is, I think it would be difficult to get full value for an asset like Pettersson in a trade, even if he weren't distressed, and I don't think the the Canucks roster is so talent-laden that they can take a talent downgrade to distribute said talent more strategically.

If you think that the current management is up to the challenge, great, but we've got a special thread for that.

When I look at our current roster....core players.

Miller (31), Demko (29), and Boeser (28), are at the age where winning with them is a window of about 3 years in length.....including this season.

Hughes is 25 and provided he stays healthy has 10 years of great hockey left in him.

Pettersson is 26 and probably does not have the durability to be elite beyond 31. He certainly has not shown the mental fortitude to build around.

Hronek is 27 and should be effective as a top-4 guy for another 5 or 6 years.

All of these curves are difficult, if not impossible to predict, but the likely relative brevity of any window created has long been one of my principle complaints about this roster construction.

Shoot your shot.

And so we agree: it is likely very soon or never for much of this core.

I just think that the Canucks' better chance is in tweaking the coaching rather than the roster. I could be wrong about that. Just one message board poster's opinion.

I don't think moving one core member automatically triggers a rebuild unless the players coming back are years away from contributing.

I quite deliberately did not use that word. But I do suspect that assets years away from contributing are the only way to recoup full value on a player who actually was the most talented member of his draft class.

And I've been complaining about asset management even longer than I've been complaining abut roster construction.

Ultimately, I don't think finding a coach to match the roster they have is likely to be entirely fruitless. Very probably not enough, but not fruitless.

At least it wouldn't cost on-ice talent assets. And if he's a better fit for your pouting superstar, a new coach might help you get a better return for him.

[Blob Mckenzie]

The Richardson story is bunk. It is from 21/22,

Miller had 32g, 67a, 99 pts over 80 games.

Scooter has 32g, 36a, 68 pts over 80 games. His first season topping 30 goals. His third full season and the following year he had his best season yet with 102 points.

Miller wasn't breaking him, Scooter was standing tall.

Why is it bunk? He played with them. A respected veteran cup winner who had some credibility in the league. He was just commenting on how the salty American was treating the young frail Swede. Nothing more and nothing less. There's obviously a disconnect between the two. Seems like there may have been issues between Bo and Miller too. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong or anyone needs to be moved. I get a kick out of the meat puppets that think Tocchet sicced Miller on Pettersson like a pit bull. Bottom line is they both need to be way better. People calling Peter a PP merchant but turning a blind eye when that's how JT has hit the scoresheet this season.

Those two guys can steer this team into the top 4 in the conference or out of the playoffs. It's up to them.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Sure, it's easier. But unless the roster is constructed properly it is often fruitless...

I've had my problems with this roster construction for so long that I can't imagine that anyone on this board is interested in reading about it any more.

But my point is, I think it would be difficult to get full value for an asset like Pettersson in a trade, even if he weren't distressed, and I don't think the the Canucks roster is so talent-laden that they can take a talent downgrade to distribute said talent more strategically.

If you think that the current management is up to the challenge, great, but we've got a special thread for that.

When I look at our current roster....core players.

Miller (31), Demko (29), and Boeser (28), are at the age where winning with them is a window of about 3 years in length.....including this season.

Hughes is 25 and provided he stays healthy has 10 years of great hockey left in him.

Pettersson is 26 and probably does not have the durability to be elite beyond 31. He certainly has not shown the mental fortitude to build around.

Hronek is 27 and should be effective as a top-4 guy for another 5 or 6 years.

All of these curves are difficult, if not impossible to predict, but the likely relative brevity of any window created has long been one of my principle complaints about this roster construction.

Shoot your shot.

And so we agree: it is likely very soon or never for much of this core.

I just think that the Canucks' better chance is in tweaking the coaching rather than the roster. I could be wrong about that. Just one message board poster's opinion.

I don't think moving one core member automatically triggers a rebuild unless the players coming back are years away from contributing.

I quite deliberately did not use that word. But I do suspect that assets years away from contributing are the only way to recoup full value on a player who actually was the most talented member of his draft class.

And I've been complaining about asset management even longer than I've been complaining abut roster construction.

Ultimately, I don't think finding a coach to match the roster they have is likely to be entirely fruitless. Very probably not enough, but not fruitless.

At least it wouldn't cost on-ice talent assets. And if he's a better fit for your pouting superstar, a new coach might help you get a better return for him.

Lots of fluff but saying very little.

Can you dumb it down a bit and say what your roster construction concerns are? Or perhaps elaborate your thoughts on the brevity of the window....You usually have good takes, I just feel like this thread is a bit scattered atm.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I am at the point of not carrying who gets traded. Just make a deal so the team can move on from this mess.

The return has be good regardless of who is moved.

100% 2Fingers. The baldies should’ve dealt with this sooner, now it’s festering plaguing the culture of the room. It stinks worst than Doyle’s hamper. It has now become a Royal distraction. Brian Burke just came out saying he’s shocked they’ve let it get to this point. Saying every team has this stuff going on but it’s usually dealt with quickly and never allowed outside the room in the hands of the media and fans. If I’m Aqualini I’m taking a flame thrower to Rutherfords office then cooking a cannoli on the embers followed up with a nice glass of Chianti.

This is basically you trying to ignite the place? Not one negative peep from you from 2014-2022 about management. Brian Burke is a fat unemployed clown. He floated into Anaheim on a team set up by Mildoo Murray and road the coattails. Then Keenan'd his way of Anaheim and butcherfucked the leaves. Then took high paying jobs here he could wear a tie like a bum and left shitty situations and got run on of town in Calgary and Pittsburgh where he was little more than a figurehead. Do you think Brian Burke would wear his tie the way he did on HNIC if he was Paddy's right hand man? Quinn would have plastered him. Remember Paddy grabbed your hero Don Cherry by the scruff of his neck in Joe Fortes when Don spewed media garbage. Cherry had a river of piss running down his leg.

[Chef Boi RD]

Doyle, even Brian Burke is surprised management has let it get this messy. It’s not being handled properly. Not just me saying it

Personally I believe they are trying to deal with it by looking at trading one of them but are not getting offers they like which is why the soap opera continues.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Burke is an asshat.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Can you dumb it down a bit and say what your roster construction concerns are? Or perhaps elaborate your thoughts on the brevity of the window....You usually have good takes, I just feel like this thread is a bit scattered atm.

Guilty as charged. I feared it lacked coherence even as I posted.

I'll plan to try again tomorrow when I'm fresher.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Look forward to it. I'm not sold on all of this managements decisions myself. That said they seem to hit for a bit higher average than the previous group. I'm not sure gooning the coach is the way to go but what the fuck do I know? I would have liked one or both of Schenn/Cole retained as they seemed like they had a bit of heat in the room. Big Z talked his way out of town as much as I'd have loved to keep him.