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[Blob Mckenzie]

The BlobMeds Elmer Hate Club is still a thing after all these years, who woulda thunk it...

And Blob... learn about subtlety bro...

The mere measure of the previous administration triggers pages of mindless vitriol. It is hilarious.

Hopefully their pussy hats aren't knotted.

I mean..... it could be worse. There are retards on the board that think Jowls did a good job.

[rikster]

Expecting fans to be patient for a rebuild is like expecting to keep a New Years resolution, its not a matter of will you break it, its just a matter of when you open the container of ice cream....

Complaining about contracts given out during lottery pick years misses the debate which is how valuable to a bottom feeder team are older, character type players?

If you feel that they have value, then sign them for more $ and more term than you would like to because how else do you persuade a veteran to sign on a bad team?

No need to argue amongst ourselves, argue with GM's who have publicly come out against rebuilds...

Take care....

Yes scrubs like Loui Ericksson, Brandon Sutter, Antoine Roussel and Jay Beagle were so valuable to the club.

You should take that on as a project Blob....

Do those type of players add value to the team beyond what they do on the ice? Given that regardless of how they perfomed on the ice the team was still going to suck, is the off ice value more important to the long term development of the organization than on ice performance is?

And like any good project you need to expand the scope so you can look at any team in a situation similar to where the Canucks were when they signed or traded for those players to find similar signings and trades...

Why is every team falling into your trap and signing and trading for washed up players and paying them too much money for too long a time?

Or are you saying that its a Canuck or Benning thing and the other teams are too smart to sign these type of players because beyond anything else cap space is vital?

Which means that when you have a bad team with very few really good players you should fill out the roster with JAG's or minor league quality kids?

Does that speed up the rebuilding process or give the team a better chance of re signing the few players on the team with high end upside when their contracts come due?

And why didn't quality free agent players choose to sign in Vancouver when it was obvious the team was willing to overpay?

Like I said, would make for a good investigative report...

Take care..

[Hockey Widow]

Through all the chaos there lies the butterfly effect.

[Raile]

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of surrounding your up and coming young stars with veterans to learn the right way to play on and off the ice, etc, but then how come that didn't work for us?

We did have all these bloated contracts on veterans we had to give up assets to get rid of when it became clear the rebuild was over.. yet the next few years was our team being a defensive nightmare with no structure.. a bunch of high skilled players not really knowing how to be an nhl team.

When Tocc first came in he even said he had to basically teach the players how to play defense again. Him saying how he spoke with Boeser last offseason about not doing the DaBeauty league but actually working on his game in summer like the real stars of the game do. It seems like him coming in is what really taught our players how to be pros.

[Strangelove]

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of surrounding your up and coming young stars with veterans to learn the right way to play on and off the ice, etc, but then how come that didn't work for us?

We did have all these bloated contracts on veterans we had to give up assets to get rid of when it became clear the rebuild was over.. yet the next few years was our team being a defensive nightmare with no structure.. a bunch of high skilled players not really knowing how to be an nhl team.

When Tocc first came in he even said he had to basically teach the players how to play defense again. Him saying how he spoke with Boeser last offseason about not doing the DaBeauty league but actually working on his game in summer like the real stars of the game do. It seems like him coming in is what really taught our players how to be pros.

Would seem like coaching was our biggest problem then, no?

[Strangelove]

Through all the chaos there lies the butterfly effect.

Yes, so true, I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

And don't forget my infamous, patented rope-a-dope!

Speaking of dope-roping, agents of chaos like blobmeds will never get smart...

[Strangelove]

The BlobMeds Elmer Hate Club is still a thing after all these years, who woulda thunk it...

The mere measure of the previous administration triggers pages of mindless vitriol. It is hilarious.

The funniest part is the way Blob keeps swearing he won't let it happen again!

[BoS]

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of surrounding your up and coming young stars with veterans to learn the right way to play on and off the ice, etc, but then how come that didn't work for us?

We did have all these bloated contracts on veterans we had to give up assets to get rid of when it became clear the rebuild was over.. yet the next few years was our team being a defensive nightmare with no structure.. a bunch of high skilled players not really knowing how to be an nhl team.

When Tocc first came in he even said he had to basically teach the players how to play defense again. Him saying how he spoke with Boeser last offseason about not doing the DaBeauty league but actually working on his game in summer like the real stars of the game do. It seems like him coming in is what really taught our players how to be pros.

Would seem like coaching was our biggest problem then, no?

Leadership overall

[Topper]

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of surrounding your up and coming young stars with veterans to learn the right way to play on and off the ice, etc, but then how come that didn't work for us?

We did have all these bloated contracts on veterans we had to give up assets to get rid of when it became clear the rebuild was over.. yet the next few years was our team being a defensive nightmare with no structure.. a bunch of high skilled players not really knowing how to be an nhl team.

When Tocc first came in he even said he had to basically teach the players how to play defense again. Him saying how he spoke with Boeser last offseason about not doing the DaBeauty league but actually working on his game in summer like the real stars of the game do. It seems like him coming in is what really taught our players how to be pros.

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[Strangelove]

Leadership overall

And yet the player-leadership James Elmer Benning assembled is doing a great job today...

[Strangelove]

Just about every single time Doc crows claiming he won a debate you can pretty much legitimately rebuttal him with "I know you are but what I am I?"

Meds107: "I know you are but what I am I?"

Blob107: "He wan outta time"

[BoS]

Leadership overall

And yet the player-leadership James Elmer Benning brought in is doing a great job...

I won’t argue that.

I was referring to the the leadership from the top down.
Benning/Weisbrod
Green/Baumgartner
Bo/Edler/Sutter/Ericsson

As soon as Management was overhauled, a defined process was initiated, the new coaching staff implemented and the leadership core among the players was established.

Good leadership starts from the top or shit rolls down hill.

[Hockey Widow]

The players Benning brought aboard to try to compete were fine. Their contracts were not. I didn't mind his personnel choices as much as I minded his lack of cap management. Then when we were almost our from under those contracts he trades them all for OEL. Sure we have Garland left but not much to show. On top of that he had to let a few players walk as FA.

I love his Miller deal but hated the OEL deal. Yet the OEL deal had been predicted for at least a year. When Benning put his sights on someone he overshot the mark to get his man.

But lets face it. He did some good things, not so good things, some really dumb things and some great things. He isn't the worst nor near the best. He left us some very nice pieces. He left Green one year too long. Had he made a coaching change he might have gotten to stick around at least one more year.

We had a great season last year but until we string together several of those together it is just one more blimp on the radar. I have high hopes. But with a fragile starter and major changes the backend, we will see. If the new forwards gel and give us 4 good lines to roll, if our goaltending can hold up, if our D doesn't take a massive backwards step, we will see.

[Strangelove]

Leadership overall

And yet the player-leadership James Elmer Benning brought in is doing a great job...

I won’t argue that.

So you agree that somehow, someway, Elmer built a solid core during the rebuild. Good.

I was referring to the the leadership from the top down.
Benning/Weisbrod
Green/Baumgartner
Bo/Edler/Sutter/Ericsson

I'm not going to agree that every single guy on your list was a poor leader...

Good leadership starts from the top or shit rolls down hill.

Well then let's blame the hands-on owner.

Thousands of Nuckers were screaming there was way too much interference coming from Aquaman.

It feels like he finally got the message and brought in a Prez that he couldn't push around.

We know JR is not going to sign on the dotted line without assurances of dat dere.

And we know he'd say "Fuck this, I'm outta here..." if he were to see much of dat dere.

Hell, even No Nuts Nonis refused to put up with it...

Yes, I'm saying Jimbro caved to Aquaman pressure big time, one of his major flaws...

[rikster]

Leadership overall

And yet the player-leadership James Elmer Benning assembled is doing a great job today...

For me, it comes down to personality in that I don't often second guess decisions I make whether it be in my personal or buisness or fan life...

I don't judge against perfection, rather I prefer to follow the Rooseveldt thinking which is that in any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

In sports we call that singles and doubles and homeruns and stikeouts and I prefer a manager who has all of those results on his resume because I like aggresive and active managers but I get some fans demand homeruns or can't get over the singles and strikeouts...

Often times its the backdrop of where a franchise is in its evolution which determines how many of those singles and doubles and homeruns and strikeouts are on a managers resume....

What Benning inherited is different than what Alvin inherited so the resumes should be different just like Hollands resume in Detroit pre salary cap era is much different than what his resume in Detroit was post salary cap era...

Much different working enviroments creats much different outcomes, and for us in Vancouver its a good feeling that the organization is on an upward trajectory and with that Vancouver is once again a desirable franchise which should reduce the number of strikouts on Allvins resume...

Take care...