Rebooted Around the League - 23/24

[Lancer]

Surely McDavid won't take anything less of 16m per.

Bouchard is the tricky one. A 50% raise is 6mil, 100% is 8 mil. Maybe 8 x 8 will get it done? Even then that would be him taking up 80% of the salary cap space they have for next season, assuming it stays at around 10 mil. Let's assume there would be a 2 mil raise (now making their expected cap space $12 mil) in the cap for the following season, the oil would still need to sign at least 5 more players to fill out their roster with no more than 4 mil of cap space left over. Which would only give them a 21 man roster. Yikes, they better win it all this year.

I can't see Bouchard taking less than Nurse. He will get $10, or more.

GM's around the league should hate the Nurse contract. It was bar altering for all the wrong reasons.

I bet no GM hates that contract more than Bowman these days.

[Madcombinepilot]

Bouchard is gone for his next contract.

Why?

Logic and Math dear Blobbie. Simply logic and math.
With McJesus at 15+, Drysaddle at 14, and Nurse at 9 that’s just under 40% on 3 guys. If the cap goes up to say.. 90, This would leave about 2.5 million for each remaining guy on the roster. (This means a lot of scrubs and no depth).. and this is not taking into account any dead cap or existing contracts (like Skinner and Ekholm)

Add Bouchard’s 10ish and now you have 4 dudes taking almost 50% of thier cap. Leaves about 2 mil for each of the other guys.. that’s an even worse team.

So personally, I hope they sign Bouch for 10 mil, as it fucks them for the rest of the decade.

Sorry if my original post made you think. I’ll try and explain it first next time.

[Blob Mckenzie]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

[theman]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Someone, I think on this site, suggested attaching two firsts with Darnell to unload him. Would probably take something like that to get him off their payroll with as little salary retention as possible.

Would be a hell of a trade for oil fans to stomach though.

[BCExpat]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Someone, I think on this site, suggested attaching two firsts with Darnell to unload him. Would probably take something like that to get him off their payroll with as little salary retention as possible.

Would be a hell of a trade for oil fans to stomach though.

They don't have many picks left. I think their next 1st rounder is in 2016. They do have the 2nd and 3rd round picks from the Blues, but the prospect cupboard and the pool of draft picks is pretty thin. Also, doesn't Nurse have some sort of no trade clause in his contract?

[Tciso]

Nurse have some sort of no trade clause in his contract?

Yup. Full NMC for the next 3 seasons. 10 team list starts in 2027-28, which is a full season after McJesus signs,for 20% of the good lord's cap. Nurse has no need to allow himself to be traded. Imo, if the Oilers try to run him out (either management, or fans), it just maked the city that much less enticing to other UFAs. He'd look good with a nickname like the "Cap Thief"

[Topper]

How long until Nurse requires a nurse.

[Strangelove]

How long until Nurse requires a nurse.

Are you suggesting Bowman gifts him a road bicycle?

[BCExpat]

How long until Nurse requires a nurse.

Are you suggesting Bowman gifts him a road bicycle?

too soon

[Strangelove]

Yeah, too soon Topper...

[Topper]

Yeah, too soon Topper...

Is his sister wed yet?

[Cousin Strawberry]

Yeah, too soon Topper...

Is his sister wed yet?

Tasteless!

[Blob Mckenzie]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Someone, I think on this site, suggested attaching two firsts with Darnell to unload him. Would probably take something like that to get him off their payroll with as little salary retention as possible.

Would be a hell of a trade for oil fans to stomach though.

I think they I'll have to eat a chunk. Say 12-15 %. Then probably cough up a 1st. Or perhaps they take back another team's garbage. Te not ideal but there are ways to move guys out and the NMC is more for the players not having to go absolutely anywhere.

[Madcombinepilot]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Alright Blobbie, I will not engage you on this again, but your acting like an amway person, and you just keep picking.. So, here is your door slam.

First, Nurse has a NTC. Therefore, You are 100% wrong. He is not going anywhere with 'picks and prospects' unless he wants to. The End.


Second, and onto your continuous scratching of your herpes itch regarding powerforwards development curves, and the purposely obtuse outtakes from it, I guess you get your way and we are gonna debate it... and by 'debate' I mean I simply show people who has actually been huffing on the Ghomer pen.

To recap, I said typical powerforwards take longer to develop and often get traded before they reach potential. You said there is no evidence and started your typical 'run down the other poster' schtick to assert the dominance of your superiority, just like you had to those couple times you spent the weekends in jail, and I was simply too tired to engage and so I said you were right to shut you the hell up. Then, like a small child, you jumped up and down and then started acting like what you said was true, moved the goalposts by adding powerforwards who were NEVER traded and promptly started playing with yourself while telling your image in the mirror how smart you were, and Didn't shut up even after several rather obvious examples of late blooming powerforwards who were traded were shown be several posters.

there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

So, I now have some time to properly address this. I have compiled a list of about 50 powerforwards who fit the criteria of my original comments.
They were defined as powerforwards and are 'typical' opposed to 'exceptional' (I mean were not picked in the top 5 of the first round -they are just average NHL'r who were not exceptional players like Lindros or Ovi). This is a random list and are in no order of significance, and from anytime after the term 'powerforward' became regular vernacular (That means since we started using the word 'powerforward' in 1983, blobster) --please note ALL of your examples in the posts are not the same conversation they were never traded before age 23, hense; your out of your lane and simply wrong in your response posts as well. But, for this example of "developing late", I'll make a random list of 50 or so, regardless of trade status, then do some research.

Cam Neely (the original, according to Sinden), Todd Bertuzzi, Brendan Shanahan, JT Miller, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuk, Owen Nolan, Evander Kane, Chris Stewart, Ryan Johansen, David Backes, Wayne Simmonds, Dakota Joshua, James Neal, Scott Hartnell, Tom Wilson, James Van Riemsdyk, Brandon Saad, Troy Brower, Joff Lupul, Brayden Schenn, Kyle Plamieri, Sam Bennett, Charlie Coyle, Anthony Duclair, Josh Anderson, Adam Henrique, Boone Jenner, Marcus Foligno, Anders Lee, Dakota Joshua, Alex Tuch, Zack Kassian, Ryan Hartman, Ryan Malone, Bobby Ryan, David Perron, Miles Wood, Stefan Noesen, Jordan Martinook, William Carrier, Jarome Iginla, Milan Lucic, Chris Kreider, Ryan Getzlaf, Wendel Clarke, Clarke Gilles, Gary Roberts, Dustin Brown, John Leclair, Johan Franzen, and Kevin Stevens

I am sure there are errors here, but its a good enough sample size for what we are doing here to get started. All the above players played more than 100 games and 400 hits (after they started tracking them) in the NHL. Sure, some of them are debatable powerforwards, but I was just trying to get a sample size here.

On this list, only 2 players I could find (Saad and Stewart) had a higher PPG BEFORE age 23 than after.

Now, I am sure someone could go make a list of Powerforwards who were not typical (the exceptions like Lindros), or skew the numbers somewhere, but here ya go Blob, Power forwards tend to develop later than skilled guys.

Fuck you.

[Hockey Widow]

I have one question. Why is Dakota Joshua listed twice?