Rebooted Around the League - 23/24

[JelloPuddingPop]

They offered Broberg two years at $4,580,917 AAV. Compensation is a 2nd round pick.

And offered Holloway two years at $2,290,457 AAV. Compensation is a 3rd round pick.

Per Jason Gregor.

That's fun

[Lancer]

They offered Broberg two years at $4,580,917 AAV. Compensation is a 2nd round pick.

And offered Holloway two years at $2,290,457 AAV. Compensation is a 3rd round pick.

Per Jason Gregor.

That's fun

Given how shitty Edmonton is at drafting outside the 1st round, this is a good move to fuck Edmonton and narrow its window of contention. Potentially fucks their young depth while giving up relatively little. What's not to love???

Both of them were 1st-round picks to boot.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Blues eat up the last of their cap space - but potentially take on a couple of good depth pieces.

For a 2nd, and 3rd rd pk. That is a tidy piece of business.

My guess is they match on Holloway, let Broberg walk. Kane on LTiR etc. etc.

Still, what a big FU to Edm. I'm lovin' it.

Edit: Is now the time to offer a bag of pucks for Kulak? Good playoff depth, can skate. 2.25mil... would have to go into the LTiR bucket, but might be worth a go?

[Madcombinepilot]

Love that St. Louis is taking two of the younger guys from the roster. Are not the Coilers already one of the oldest teams as well??

[Tciso]

I'm lovin it. Edmonton has been backed right into a corner. St Louis would easily be my 2nd favorite team right now, except for Residual Brett Hull Hate (RBHH). And, the best part is the Oilers are in the same position next year with Bouchard and the King of Leons.

From Edmonton's perspective, I don't think losing Holloway is such a big deal, except he's the only forward under the age of 27! St Louis is paying him a bit of a premium, but nothing they can't afford. And, Edmonton loses their only depth piece under 30. And, who knows. He may turn out to be a top 6 guy in a few years too. Same situation with Broberg, exccept he looks like he is worth the offer St Louis made right now. He leaves a big hole on their defence.

But, the good news for the Coilers is they are cap compliant with an 18 man roster.

[UWSaint]

They offered Broberg two years at $4,580,917 AAV. Compensation is a 2nd round pick.

And offered Holloway two years at $2,290,457 AAV. Compensation is a 3rd round pick.

Per Jason Gregor.

That's fun

Definitely fun...

I believe the Oilers were already over the cap and needed to make moves before these two were signed, but this really changes the math considerably. Broberg spent most of last year in the AHL but established himself as an NHL capable player in the playoffs and Holloway has never really found the next level. Two guys coming off ELC's, no bargaining power (other than offer sheets), what were they going to come in at? If Holloway was a Canuck coming off an ELC, Allvin would be pushing him to sign around $1M given the Hoglander and Podkolzin contracts. Maybe Broberg would be looking at $1.5M given the position -- I'm sure they were like, Phil, one year deal, prove yourself and you get Ceci's money after this season. That means the Blues offer sheet just increased the Oilers cap by about $4.35M more than what they were budgeting. Uh oh.

From the Blues perspective, I get it. Holloway has more to give, I think. He's got good speed and tenacity, so I think he's got third liner downside with some potential to be a second liner. (Can the Oilers afford that loss of speed?). As for Broberg, his range is much greater -- from top 4 with PP running capability to not good enough for the league. Blues are just banking on the upside here, that he can overcome his panic under a forecheck. D are in short supply and if he can find away to overcome his ? Could be a steal as much as it could be a 2 year anchor. But what makes this play brilliant is that making both offers significantly increases the chance they get on. If both these players hit, this can work well for the Blues.

Oilers will want to LTIR Kane, of course, but that doesn't get them where they need to be (but would have if those two guys signed for what their almost leverageless contract situation would normally do). They have to move someone off the roster -- how's that Arvidsson signing looking now? Are there markets for a 34 year old Ekholm @ $6M? I'm sure there's no market for Nurse -- would anyone take him half his salary retained? Either way, the Oilers roster is about to suffer an unforeseen downgrade. Even worse if they can't find Kane a surgery that can legitimately keep him sidelined for the year....

[Aaronp18]

So disappointing to see the Oilers in cap hell.

Next year could be even more interesting as has been mentioned!

Really their window could've been last year with these top heavy players and zero youth.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Ima hafta listen in to coilertalk now to appreciate their misery fully

[Topper]

Say hello to Stan

Signing Jeff Skinner and Corey Perry early on was such a smart move. Yeah, I know, it doesn't match the two offer sheets and Kane is likely on LTIR, but they still need that opening day roster salary cap.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Well darn. I'm not a fan of offer sheets as a rule, but in this case I'm prepared to make an exception.

LOL Stan Bowman shits the bed in the first month on the job, and the local fans hated the hire to begin with,

Imagine the fun Cousin Strawberry will have listening to the bitching on the radio

[BCExpat]

Good for St. Lo - they fucked the Oilers good, whether they match the offers or not.

[UWSaint]

Well darn. I'm not a fan of offer sheets as a rule....

Curious, why?

Players have 4 basic statuses under the CBA:

ELCs (fixed max compensation by CBA)
RFA non-arb (QO min)
RFA arb
UFA

(There are more statuses for players that are "irregulars" and players who are late season call ups and burn a year off their ELCs but don't become QO eligible (e.g., Hughes), but these four categories describe the vast majority of NHL regulars).

If there is no offer sheet possibility and no arbitration in the second group, the only leverage a player has is holding out. While offer sheets are not common, their potential is one (weighted by compensation) market factor that gets good players paid a little more in their non-arb years, and it encourages teams/players to make longer term deals at that point as an option rather than waiting another year or two. Absent the QO as a possibility, I think we would expect to see (1) more holdouts (2) fewer deals 3+ year deals from post-ELCs, and (3) quasi-ELC post-ELC short term contracts. The QO, however rare, means more complex decisionmaking by management, and puts a greater emphasis on team management's ability to evaluate and project its own players and others.

It also shifts some club resources to younger players that otherwise wouldn't be shifted. Absent the QO possibility, I am thinking the teams would spend the same amount of money, but that money gets shifted to the UFA market. Not sure how that makes hockey better, and as it stands, the CBA is already a sizable wealth transfer to the older players at the expense of the younger ones.

Last point: QOs are fun.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Well darn. I'm not a fan of offer sheets as a rule....

Curious, why?

Players have 4 basic statuses under the CBA:

ELCs (fixed max compensation by CBA)
RFA non-arb (QO min)
RFA arb
UFA

(There are more statuses for players that are "irregulars" and players who are late season call ups and burn a year off their ELCs but don't become QO eligible (e.g., Hughes), but these four categories describe the vast majority of NHL regulars).

If there is no offer sheet possibility and no arbitration in the second group, the only leverage a player has is holding out. While offer sheets are not common, their potential is one (weighted by compensation) market factor that gets good players paid a little more in their non-arb years, and it encourages teams/players to make longer term deals at that point as an option rather than waiting another year or two. Absent the QO as a possibility, I think we would expect to see (1) more holdouts (2) fewer deals 3+ year deals from post-ELCs, and (3) quasi-ELC post-ELC short term contracts. The QO, however rare, means more complex decisionmaking by management, and puts a greater emphasis on team management's ability to evaluate and project its own players and others.

It also shifts some club resources to younger players that otherwise wouldn't be shifted. Absent the QO possibility, I am thinking the teams would spend the same amount of money, but that money gets shifted to the UFA market. Not sure how that makes hockey better, and as it stands, the CBA is already a sizable wealth transfer to the older players at the expense of the younger ones.

Last point: QOs are fun.

Well this one is definitely fun, granted. I don't normally like to see teams poaching players this age when the teams have put a lot of time and resources into their development, but when a team botches their cap situation as badly as the Oilers have in this case I must admit I kind of enjoy it.

Oilers

[Cousin Strawberry]

Oilers

[donlever]

Close the sunroof Cuz.