Canucks Young Guns

[Blob Mckenzie]

Pig with a Wig could hand out bleach and flashlights to fans. Let’s get this shit going on this continent.

[Strangelove]

Interesting that Podz, Hoggy and Tryamkin are already playing in their respective leagues. I wonder if there's any fans in the stands?

Probably. I don't think Sweden and Russia are doing the full crisis plague thing.

Heck Vladimir has a vaccine

And I think he believes in forced vaccinations.

Vlad the Impaler.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Trump will sort it out

[Per]

Interesting that Podz, Hoggy and Tryamkin are already playing in their respective leagues. I wonder if there's any fans in the stands?

Probably. I don't think Sweden and Russia are doing the full crisis plague thing.

The KHL allows spectators - in Russia. There is a Finnish team, Jokerit, in the league, and Finnish authorities are stricter. If I understand it correctly, they have to play in front of empty stands. Furthermore the Finnish authorities have forced the entire team into a fourteen day quarantine after they played a Russian team where a player had tested positive, thus forcing them to postpone five games.

In Sweden sport teams are currently allowed 50 spectators. We have a rule banning crowds larger than 50 now under the pandemic, and originally it was stated that this included players and game officials, but it was later changed to be considered that if measures are insured to prevent contact between spectators and players, the spectators could be considered a separate gathering. Now, 50 is of course virtually nothing, but Björklöven in their pre season game against Skellefteå made the following distribution: 20 tickets were set aside for the Green Devils fan club, which is the very noisy crowd that sings and chants throughout the games and provides a lot of tifo. (see video below) 10 tickets were distributed through a lottery among season card holders, one lounge was opened and ten people allowed in and a lottery was held among those who have paid for lounges for the season, mainly corporate sponsors, and the last ten tickets were sold through an auction to the highest bidder.

The Swedish public health agency has stated that unless there are signs of a second wave, crowd size at sport events will be upgraded to 500 from October 1st, and Hockeyallsvenskan has chosen to postpone the start of the season till that date, as they are more dependent on ticket sales than the SHL, that gets most of its revenue from TV rights and sponsors. The SHL starts on Sep 19th, so the first few rounds will be played in front of empty stands or with just 50 spectators.

Teams are lobbying to have more spectators allowed, I mean, it’s even worse in football. Friends Arena in Stockholm can take more than 50,000 spectators and letting just 50 fans in is a joke. They could easily let in 10,000 people observing a two metre distance rule...

Ah, and here’s a video showing the supporter section of the stands from the last home game of last season. The loud booing a little bit more than two minutes in is when the Modo players take the ice. Then at roughly 2.45 they start chanting ”Ni kan dra åt helvete!”, meaning ”You all can go to hell!” to welcome the guests....
Oh, and please note, this is during the warmup. These guys show up at least an hour before the puck drop and create a wall of noise throughout the entire game. I used to stand there too when I was younger.



The players really miss this.

[Tciso]

1984-1988. EASILY the darkest time to ever be a Vancouver Canucks fan. It really isn’t close.

My simmering overzealous hatred of all things Messier get in the way of simple things like facts. Leave it be I am having an eternal moment.

2 words. Chaput Megma.

[Meds]

Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

I was looking at it from a top six and bottom six perspective and even though RW is a position of strength for them, there's still plenty of uncertainty.

Toffoli, Boeser, and Podkolzin are top six players but as you say, Toffoli is 28 and already not the greatest skater and could very well bolt back to LA as a UFA anyway, Boeser isn't worth his qualifying offer if it was due today, and Podkolzin isn't coming for another season. Now, can they get Virtenen to consistently perform in the top six in the event they lose Toffoli and/or move Boeser before they have to qualify him?

Virtanen, MacEwen, and Motte as of today are the bottom six choices with Virtanen being a 5 year pro and still not having his shit together, MacEwen appearing ready for full-time 3rd line duty providing the pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence the team is sorely lacking, and Motte is an RFA but a key one IMO. Then there's Lind developing decently in Utica. To me MacEwen and Motte are ideal for those bottom six spots, especially if Virtanen can't get his act together and learn to be better defensively and hopefully kill penalties. Plus Virtanen does have value around the league if they move on from him or he's a sweetener.

Classic homerism. Podkolzin hasn't played a single game in the NHL. We like what we've seen in junior and the KHL, but far to early to count our chickens there. Remember everyone salivating over the coming of Tree? We all know how that worked out. For every superstar Russian in the NHL there are at least 2 who come highly touted but completely bust.

It's not homerism, Podkolzin was ranked in the top handful of players most of his draft year, was drafted at 10, and is steadily tracking to be a top 6 player. The Canucks would love to have his size and playing style in the lineup next season at 19 if he was available to them.

Why would you use Tryamkin, of all guys, as a comparable? Different position and was almost 20 when drafted in the 3rd round after being completely passed over in a previous draft. I'm a Tryamkin fan and think he can comfortably play bottom pairing and kill penalties for the Canucks and that's a big win for a 3rd round pick but not at all a reasonable comparable to Podkolzin.

I’m with curmudgeon on this one Mëds

I'll ask you this.

How many games have either of you actually seen this guy play?

How many of those have been NHL games?

We are simply counting on a young kid coming over and being an instant top-6 impact player in the NHL. I hope he is everything the scouts and highlight reel watchers say he is. I'm just saying that we can't build the current roster around the premise that this unproven talent is going to land and instantly be a 50-60 point player.

Steadily tracking to be a top-6 player in professional leagues on the other side of the pond more often translates to being a top-9 player than it does a bonafide top-6 impact player.

Tryamkin as a comparable is simply because he's the most recent Russian player in Canuck history to not live up to the hype that was generated by the fans.

Thanks to some good early history with Russian players we Canuckleheads have a soft spot for them.

Larionov and Krutov came over, and while the latter was a total bust, the former was outstanding and it's a crying shame management screwed the pooch there.

Next came Bure, and nothing more needs be said other than that the Canucks were batting .666 from behind the Iron Curtain. The impact of Bure and Larionov made it very easy for us all to say "Krutov? Never heard of him."

We also enjoyed the good fortune of landing Mogilny in a trade.

But after those guys here's our list.....

Artem Chubarov
Sergei Shirokov
Fedor Fedorov
Evgeny Namestnikov
Sergei Nemchinov
Roman Oksuita
Andrey Pedan
Alexander Semak
Anatoli Semanov
Vadim Sharifijanov
Alexei Tezikov
Kirill Koltsov

Some of those names are a who's who of players we've never heard of. Some of those guys were expected to be top-6 players.....none of them ever were. Several of them had flashes. Several of them actually produced at what would be considered 2nd line production.....in other leagues.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be getting all hyped up for a guy who could simply show up and be our very own Nail Yakupov.

And if it seems like I'm harping on Russians.....

Cody Hodgson
Jared McCann
Jake Virtanen*
Hunter Shinkaruk
Cole Cassels
Nik Jensen
Jordan Schroeder
Michael Grabner
Alex Stojanov*
Shawn Antoski

.....all say hello.

*Jake might still find himself and be useful.....or he might bring back something worthwhile in a trade.

[rats19]

I run on emotion Mëds... this history and logic crap sails right by me

[Carl Yagro]

I run on emotion Mëds... this history and logic crap sails right by me

Logic... pffft. Rats runs high on emotion.

[rats19]

I run on emotion Mëds... this history and logic crap sails right by me

Logic... pffft. Rats runs high on emotion.

Bring that shit into play.... why a man would go bonkers.... bonkers I tells ya

[Chef Boi RD]

I'll ask you this.

How many games have either of you actually seen this guy play?

How many of those have been NHL games?

We are simply counting on a young kid coming over and being an instant top-6 impact player in the NHL. I hope he is everything the scouts and highlight reel watchers say he is. I'm just saying that we can't build the current roster around the premise that this unproven talent is going to land and instantly be a 50-60 point player.

Steadily tracking to be a top-6 player in professional leagues on the other side of the pond more often translates to being a top-9 player than it does a bonafide top-6 impact player.

Tryamkin as a comparable is simply because he's the most recent Russian player in Canuck history to not live up to the hype that was generated by the fans.

Thanks to some good early history with Russian players we Canuckleheads have a soft spot for them.

Larionov and Krutov came over, and while the latter was a total bust, the former was outstanding and it's a crying shame management screwed the pooch there.

Next came Bure, and nothing more needs be said other than that the Canucks were batting .666 from behind the Iron Curtain. The impact of Bure and Larionov made it very easy for us all to say "Krutov? Never heard of him."

We also enjoyed the good fortune of landing Mogilny in a trade.

But after those guys here's our list.....

Artem Chubarov
Sergei Shirokov
Fedor Fedorov
Evgeny Namestnikov
Sergei Nemchinov
Roman Oksuita
Andrey Pedan
Alexander Semak
Anatoli Semanov
Vadim Sharifijanov
Alexei Tezikov
Kirill Koltsov

Some of those names are a who's who of players we've never heard of. Some of those guys were expected to be top-6 players.....none of them ever were. Several of them had flashes. Several of them actually produced at what would be considered 2nd line production.....in other leagues.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be getting all hyped up for a guy who could simply show up and be our very own Nail Yakupov.

And if it seems like I'm harping on Russians.....

Cody Hodgson
Jared McCann
Jake Virtanen*
Hunter Shinkaruk
Cole Cassels
Nik Jensen
Jordan Schroeder
Michael Grabner
Alex Stojanov*
Shawn Antoski

.....all say hello.

*Jake might still find himself and be useful.....or he might bring back something worthwhile in a trade.

I thought Swedes (Edler) were the anti-Christ to Mëds. Looks like I’m wrong. The Russians are Mëds NEW Anti-Christ. That’s OK, let Mëds be all anti-Tryamkin. He gets like that. - “the power of Christ compels those who like Tryamkin!”

[Curmudgeon]

I'll ask you this.

How many games have either of you actually seen this guy play?

How many of those have been NHL games?

We are simply counting on a young kid coming over and being an instant top-6 impact player in the NHL. I hope he is everything the scouts and highlight reel watchers say he is. I'm just saying that we can't build the current roster around the premise that this unproven talent is going to land and instantly be a 50-60 point player.

Steadily tracking to be a top-6 player in professional leagues on the other side of the pond more often translates to being a top-9 player than it does a bonafide top-6 impact player.

Tryamkin as a comparable is simply because he's the most recent Russian player in Canuck history to not live up to the hype that was generated by the fans.

Thanks to some good early history with Russian players we Canuckleheads have a soft spot for them.

Larionov and Krutov came over, and while the latter was a total bust, the former was outstanding and it's a crying shame management screwed the pooch there.

Next came Bure, and nothing more needs be said other than that the Canucks were batting .666 from behind the Iron Curtain. The impact of Bure and Larionov made it very easy for us all to say "Krutov? Never heard of him."

We also enjoyed the good fortune of landing Mogilny in a trade.

But after those guys here's our list.....

Artem Chubarov
Sergei Shirokov
Fedor Fedorov
Evgeny Namestnikov
Sergei Nemchinov
Roman Oksuita
Andrey Pedan
Alexander Semak
Anatoli Semanov
Vadim Sharifijanov
Alexei Tezikov
Kirill Koltsov

Some of those names are a who's who of players we've never heard of. Some of those guys were expected to be top-6 players.....none of them ever were. Several of them had flashes. Several of them actually produced at what would be considered 2nd line production.....in other leagues.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be getting all hyped up for a guy who could simply show up and be our very own Nail Yakupov.

And if it seems like I'm harping on Russians.....

Cody Hodgson
Jared McCann
Jake Virtanen*
Hunter Shinkaruk
Cole Cassels
Nik Jensen
Jordan Schroeder
Michael Grabner
Alex Stojanov*
Shawn Antoski

.....all say hello.

*Jake might still find himself and be useful.....or he might bring back something worthwhile in a trade.

They weren't batting so good with Americans either until Kesler and Schneider but I'm sure glad that didn't impact their selection and the subsequent selections of Hughes, Boeser, and Demko. With the exception of Hodgson, none of those other players were anywhere near as highly regarded as Podkolzin.

Here's hoping the people tracking and reporting positively on his development and the optimists following that are correct in their anticipation and you're wrong.

[rats19]

We will be rejoicing the “Pod”
Take that to the bank

[Strangelove]

They weren't batting so good with Americans either until Kesler and Schneider but I'm sure glad that didn't impact their selection and the subsequent selections of Hughes, Boeser, and Demko. With the exception of Hodgson, none of those other players were anywhere near as highly regarded as Podkolzin.

Well said.

Here's hoping the people tracking and reporting positively on his development and the optimists following that are correct in their anticipation and you're wrong.

Fortunately for us, Mëds is always wrong.

[Meds]

They weren't batting so good with Americans either until Kesler and Schneider but I'm sure glad that didn't impact their selection and the subsequent selections of Hughes, Boeser, and Demko. With the exception of Hodgson, none of those other players were anywhere near as highly regarded as Podkolzin.

Well said.

Here's hoping the people tracking and reporting positively on his development and the optimists following that are correct in their anticipation and you're wrong.

Fortunately for us, Mëds is always wrong.

And also that Mëds hasn't predicted anything either way.....all he said is that we shouldn't get all fixated on a guy who hasn't played a game in the NHL as if he's going to be a lock for 25 goals and 50-60 points.

[rats19]

They weren't batting so good with Americans either until Kesler and Schneider but I'm sure glad that didn't impact their selection and the subsequent selections of Hughes, Boeser, and Demko. With the exception of Hodgson, none of those other players were anywhere near as highly regarded as Podkolzin.

Well said.

Here's hoping the people tracking and reporting positively on his development and the optimists following that are correct in their anticipation and you're wrong.

Fortunately for us, Mëds is always wrong.

And also that Mëds hasn't predicted anything either way.....all he said is that we shouldn't get all fixated on a guy who hasn't played a game in the NHL as if he's going to be a lock for 25 goals and 50-60 points.

In a lot of cases you are correct Mëds....

Just not this time...... I feel it