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[Per]

^Thanks for removing the Marley video, I was like 'WOT DA FUQ!"

Yeah, sorry.... had posted that video over in the muzac thread earlier and apparently forgotten to copy the link to the video. i was intending to post here...

Basically, what you can see is a long line of experienced generals being appalled by Trump wanting to use the military against American civilians.

I don't see your "long line" ...

Well, let’s just off the top of my head:

General James Mattis
General John Kelly
General Colin Powell
General Merrill McPeak
General John Allen

It’s rare to see that many generals commenting on politics, normally they prefer to stay out of it, but ordering soldiers to confront protesters obviously hit a military nerve.

According to Time Magazine it is ”scores of retired military leaders”, so I guess it’s a few more than the five I already mentioned.

(WASHINGTON) — Scores of retired military and defense leaders are denouncing President Donald Trump and accusing him of using the U.S. Armed Forces to undermine the rights of Americans protesting police brutality and the killing of George Floyd.

The condemnation Friday came in an op-ed in The Washington Post, signed by 89 former defense officials, and in a letter in support of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, signed by 55 retired military leaders.

It comes days after law enforcement officers used tear gas and deployed flash bangs to disperse a peaceful protest near White House shortly before Trump walked to the area to pose with a Bible in front of a damaged church. The president also threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy federal troops to quell the protests.

The Post op-ed accuses Trump of betraying his oath of office “by threatening to order members of the U.S. military to violate the rights of their fellow Americans.” The defense leaders want the president to end any plan to send active-duty forces into cities and to avoid using them in any way that would threaten the constitutional rights of fellow Americans.

https://time.com/5849362/military-leade ... nce-trump/

[Strangelove]

"Scores of retired military and defense leaders"... according to unnamed sources and the Tooth Fairy.

[Strangelove]

de-funding the police appears to fall in the "Careful What You Ask For" column.

These are Dem cities so it would make for great entertainment!

[Strangelove]

So, the question we all must ask is, is he really that stupid, or is he really that clueless, or is he really that callous, or is he just trolling?

VIDEO

I assume he is trolling.
Hard to think he is really that stupid, clueless or callous.

Hmmmm...

“Equal justice under the law must mean that every American receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement, regardless of race, color, gender, or creed. They have to receive fair treatment from law enforcement. They have to receive it. We all saw what happened last week. We can’t let that happen. Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality. It’s really what our Constitution requires and it’s what our country is all about.”


He condemned the murder of Floyd and then he said he hopes the peaceful protests in Floyd's name

... were something Floyd would look down on fondly.

(it was the violent rioting earlier on that he was threatening to use the military to quell)

What's wrong with that buddy?

[Per]

"Scores of retired military and defense leaders"... according to unnamed sources and the Tooth Fairy.

Uhm... an op-ed with 89 signatures and a separate letter of support for Biden with 55 signatures.

According to eg the Washington Post and Time Magazine.

What do you mean unnamed sources?

And those 89+55 don’t even include Colin Powell or John Allen, who criticised him through other channels.

[Per]

So, the question we all must ask is, is he really that stupid, or is he really that clueless, or is he really that callous, or is he just trolling?

VIDEO

I assume he is trolling.
Hard to think he is really that stupid, clueless or callous.

Hmmmm...

“Equal justice under the law must mean that every American receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement, regardless of race, color, gender, or creed. They have to receive fair treatment from law enforcement. They have to receive it. We all saw what happened last week. We can’t let that happen. Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality. It’s really what our Constitution requires and it’s what our country is all about.”


He condemned the murder of Floyd and then he said he hopes the peaceful protests in Floyd's name

... were something Floyd would look down on fondly.

(it was the violent rioting earlier on that he was threatening to use the military to quell)

What's wrong with that buddy?

Suggesting that it’s a great day for George Floyd. Really poor taste. The guy got murdered.

Maybe Trump thinks that he would consider it a great day if it happened to him....

[Strangelove]

"Scores of retired military and defense leaders"... according to unnamed sources and the Tooth Fairy.

Uhm... an op-ed with 89 signatures and a separate letter of support for Biden with 55 signatures.

According to eg the Washington Post and Time Magazine.

What do you mean unnamed sources?

And those 89+55 don’t even include Colin Powell or John Allen, who criticised him through other channels.

I'm not going to read it, exactly who in the military signed it?

And how many of them are "ex-generals" = what you were talking about?

And how many ex-generals are there in America?

And isn't it your bedtime yet?

[Strangelove]

He condemned the murder of Floyd and then he said he hopes the peaceful protests in Floyd's name

... were something Floyd would look down on fondly.

(it was the violent rioting earlier on that he was threatening to use the military to quell)

What's wrong with that buddy?

Suggesting that it’s a great day for George Floyd. Really poor taste. The guy got murdered.

Maybe Trump thinks that he would consider it a great day if it happened to him....

Nah, Floyd's murder day was a week prior.

Trumpy was speaking of the day of peaceful protests in Floyd's name ("today").

Also, "My orange hero" suggested Mr Floyd is living happily ever after in Heaven.

So there's that.

[Per]

"Scores of retired military and defense leaders"... according to unnamed sources and the Tooth Fairy.

Uhm... an op-ed with 89 signatures and a separate letter of support for Biden with 55 signatures.

According to eg the Washington Post and Time Magazine.

What do you mean unnamed sources?

And those 89+55 don’t even include Colin Powell or John Allen, who criticised him through other channels.

I'm not going to read it, exactly who in the military signed it?

And how many of them are "ex-generals" = what you were talking about?

And how many ex-generals are there in there in America?

And isn't it your bedtime yet?

Well, I would need a subscription to read the op-ed over at Washington Post.
And, yeah, it’s quarter past eleven, so I’m calling it a day now.

Cheers!

[Strangelove]

G'night Per.

[Strangelove]

de-funding the police appears to fall in the "Careful What You Ask For" column.

These are Dem cities so it would make for great entertainment!

Or maybe the future is set:

Today the president of the Minneapolis City Council was asked by a CNN anchor:

"If my home is broken into in the middle of the night, who do I call?"

Her response: "That comes from a place of privilege."



"A world gone mad"

[Per]

OK, so here are the 89 signatories to that op-ed in the Washington Post:

Leon E. Panetta, former defense secretary

Chuck Hagel, former defense secretary

Ashton B. Carter, former defense secretary

William S. Cohen, former defense secretary

Sasha Baker, former deputy chief of staff to the defense secretary

Donna Barbisch, retired major general in the U.S. Army

Jeremy Bash, chief of staff to the defense secretary

Jeffrey P. Bialos, former deputy under secretary of defense for industrial affairs

Susanna V. Blume, former deputy chief of staff to the deputy defense secretary

Ian Brzezinski, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Europe and NATO

Gabe Camarillo, former assistant secretary of the Air Force

Kurt M. Campbell, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Asia and the Pacific

Michael Carpenter, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia

Rebecca Bill Chavez, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Western hemisphere affairs

Derek Chollet, former assistant defense secretary for international security affairs

Dan Christman, retired lieutenant general in the U.S. Army and former assistant to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

James Clapper, former under secretary of defense for intelligence and director of national intelligence

Eliot A. Cohen, former member of planning staff for the defense department and former member of the Defense Policy Board

Erin Conaton, former under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness

John Conger, former principal deputy under secretary of defense

Peter S. Cooke, retired major general of the U.S. Army Reserve

Richard Danzig, former secretary of the U.S. Navy

Janine Davidson, former under secretary of the U.S. Navy

Robert L. Deitz, former general counsel at the National Security Agency

Abraham M. Denmark, former deputy assistant defense secretary for East Asia

Michael B. Donley, former secretary of the U.S. Air Force

John W. Douglass, retired brigadier general in the U.S. Air Force and former assistant secretary of the U.S. Navy

Raymond F. DuBois, former acting under secretary of the U.S. Army

Eric Edelman, former under secretary of defense for policy

Eric Fanning, former secretary of the U.S. Army

Evelyn N. Farkas, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia

Michèle A. Flournoy, former under secretary of defense for policy

Nelson M. Ford, former under secretary of the U.S. Army

Alice Friend, former principal director for African affairs in the office of the under defense secretary for policy

John A. Gans Jr., former speechwriter for the defense secretary

Sherri Goodman, former deputy under secretary of defense for environmental security

André Gudger, former deputy assistant defense secretary for manufacturing and industrial base policy

Robert Hale, former under secretary of defense and Defense Department comptroller

Michael V. Hayden, retired general in the U.S. Air Force and former director of the National Security Agency and CIA

Mark Hertling, retired lieutenant general in the U.S. Army and former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe

Kathleen H. Hicks, former principal deputy under secretary of defense for policy

Deborah Lee James, former secretary of the U.S. Air Force

John P. Jumper, retired general of the U.S. Air Force and former chief of staff of the Air Force

Colin H. Kahl, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Middle East policy

Mara E. Karlin, former deputy assistant defense secretary for strategy and force development

Frank Kendall, former under secretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics

Susan Koch, former deputy assistant defense secretary for threat-reduction policy

Ken Krieg, former under secretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics

J. William Leonard, former deputy assistant defense secretary for security and information operations

Steven J. Lepper, retired major general of the U.S. Air Force

George Little, former Pentagon press secretary

William J. Lynn III, former deputy defense secretary

Ray Mabus, former secretary of the U.S. Navy and former governor of Mississippi

Kelly Magsamen, former principal deputy assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs

Carlos E. Martinez, retired brigadier general of the U.S. Air Force Reserve

Michael McCord, former under secretary of defense and Defense Department comptroller

Chris Mellon, former deputy assistant defense secretary for intelligence

James N. Miller, former under secretary of defense for policy

Edward T. Morehouse Jr., former principal deputy assistant defense secretary and former acting assistant defense secretary for operational energy plans and programs

Jamie Morin, former director of cost assessment and program evaluation at the Defense Department and former acting under secretary of the U.S. Air Force

Jennifer M. O’Connor, former general counsel of the Defense Department

Sean O’Keefe, former secretary of the U.S. Navy

Dave Oliver, former principal deputy under secretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics

Robert B. Pirie, former under secretary of the U.S. Navy

John Plumb, former acting deputy assistant defense secretary for space policy

Eric Rosenbach, former assistant defense secretary for homeland defense and global security

Deborah Rosenblum, former acting deputy assistant defense secretary for counternarcotics

Todd Rosenblum, acting assistant defense secretary for homeland defense and Americas’ security affairs

Tommy Ross, former deputy assistant defense secretary for security cooperation

Henry J. Schweiter, former deputy assistant defense secretary

David B. Shear, former assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs

Amy E. Searight, former deputy assistant defense secretary for South and Southeast Asia

Vikram J. Singh, former deputy assistant defense secretary for South and Southeast Asia

Julianne Smith, former deputy national security adviser to the vice president and former principal director for Europe and NATO policy

Paula Thornhill, retired brigadier general of the Air Force and former principal director for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs

Jim Townsend, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Europe and NATO policy

Sandy Vershbow, former assistant defense secretary for international security affairs

Michael Vickers, former under secretary of defense for intelligence

Celeste Wallander, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia

Andrew Weber, former assistant defense secretary for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs

William F. Wechsler, former deputy assistant defense secretary for special operations and combating terrorism

Doug Wilson, former assistant defense secretary for public affairs

Anne A. Witkowsky, former deputy assistant defense secretary for stability and humanitarian affairs

Douglas Wise, former deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency

Daniel P. Woodward, retired brigadier general of the U.S. Air Force

Margaret H. Woodward, retired major general of the U.S. Air Force

Carl Woog, former deputy assistant to the defense secretary for communications

Robert O. Work, former deputy defense secretary

Dov S. Zakheim, former under secretary of defense and Defense Department comptroller

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... al-rights/

So, among these there are four defense secretaries and twelve generals.

Then you have some more listed in an article on CNN:

Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis, Former Secretary of Defense under Trump
"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people -- does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society."

Marine Corps. Gen. John Kelly, Former Chief of Staff to Trump, Former commander of US Southern Command under Obama
"I would've argued against it, recommended against it," Kelly said of Trump's photo-op. "I would argue that the end result of that was predictable."
"I think we need to look harder at who we elect. I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?"

Marine Corps Gen. John Allen, Former commander of US forces in Afghanistan
"Donald Trump isn't religious, has no need of religion, and doesn't care about the devout, except insofar as they serve his political needs...To even the casual observer, Monday was awful for the United States and its democracy. The president's speech was calculated to project his abject and arbitrary power, but he failed to project any of the higher emotions or leadership desperately needed in every quarter of this nation during this dire moment."

Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
"It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president's visit outside St. John's Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump's leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent. Whatever Trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. There was little good in the stunt."

Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
"The first thing was just absolute sadness that people aren't allowed to protest and that, as I understand it, that was a peaceful protest that was disturbed by force, and that's not right. That should not happen in America. And so I was sad. I mean, we should all shed tears over that, that particular act. ...I'm glad I don't have to advise this President. I'm sure the senior military leadership is finding it really difficult these days to provide good, sound military advice."

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
"The idea that the President would take charge of the situation using the military was troubling to me."

William Perry, Former Defense Secretary
"I am outraged at the deplorable behavior of our President and Defense Secretary Esper, threatening to use American military forces to suppress peaceful demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights. This is a deeply shameful moment for our nation."

Navy Adm. William McRaven, Former commander of US Special Operations Command
"You're not going to use, whether it's the military, or the National Guard, or law enforcement, to clear peaceful American citizens for the President of the United States to do a photo op. There is nothing morally right about that."

Navy Adm. James Stavridis, Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
"Our active duty military must remain above the fray of domestic politics, and the best way to do that is to keep that force focused on its rightful mission outside the United States. Our senior active duty military leaders must make that case forcefully and directly to national leadership, speaking truth to power in uncomfortable ways. They must do this at the risk of their career. I hope they will do so, and not allow the military to be dragged into the maelstrom that is ahead of us, and which will likely only accelerate between now and November. If they do not stand and deliver on this vital core value, I fear for the soul of our military and all of the attendant consequences."

Army Gen. Raymond A. "Tony" Thomas, Former commander of US Special Operations Command
On Esper's use of the term "battlespace" when discussing quelling violence on the streets amid civil unrest: "The 'battle space' of America??? Not what America needs to hear...ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure...ie a Civil War..."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/poli ... index.html

So, that's another nine generals and another defense secretary.

Then there's Colin Powell, former general and secretary of state.

So, at least 22 generals and 5 defense secretaries and counting.....

[Cousin Strawberry]

So here's a question....why dont black lives matter much to other black people?

94% of black people getting murdered in the United States are murdered by other black people...wtf!

Maybe its not the dooshbag cops nearly as much as a community of violent fuckin people slaying each other over fuck all that needs to be addressed.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... ack-crime/

[Topper]

Black folks are pissed at this photo op

[Per]

So here's a question....why dont black lives matter much to other black people?

94% of black people getting murdered in the United States are murdered by other black people...wtf!

Maybe its not the dooshbag cops nearly as much as a community of violent fuckin people slaying each other over fuck all that needs to be addressed.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... ack-crime/

If you read the article it actually says 88%; it was 94% between 1975 and 2004, ie when crack was king, and there was a lot of turf wars.
I would venture a guess that it is the same for white on white killings, ie roughly 88% of white murder victims being killed by a white murderer.

It's well known that most violent crime is intraracial, in fact, a very large portion is even within the family.
Whenever a murder victim is found, the first person the police suspect is the spouse/partner/boy- or girlfriend.
When a child is murdered, it's usually one of the parents. Or a sibling. Or a classmate.

But if you look at police killings, it's a different story. Then the vast majority of cases is a white cop killing a black man.