Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:02 am
McCann is also 4 years younger, plays multiple positions and makes a fraction of Pearson’s cap hit. Penguins also have three years of control beyond this one.
Pearson has been a real good fit for this team because he's a two-way player with enough offense. People make fun of his empty netters, but there is a good reason he has been on the ice in the last minute of a one goal game.
Having said that, its silly to compare McCann to Pearson. Because Blob's right -- McCann is younger, probably still improving, and under control for a longer period of time. And because the trade wasn't McCann for Pearson. Most players are a indirect proceeds of prior decisions. Moreover, the Canucks had years of negative value from Gudbrandson. And gave up a 2d.
Ex ante, the idea of the Gudbrandson trade was fine -- a 1-year post-draft NHL forward with upside and warts (wide variability in future performance expectations) for former top defensive prospect who appeared to be a legitimate NHL defensemen with a fairly reasonable expectations of being a solid if unspectacular piece of a top 4. The results weren't fine -- not because McCann exploded (his career is neither boom nor bust), but because Guddy was like a bad version of Bryan Allen. He missed on his reasonable expectation.
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:48 am
I'm keeping Pearson over Mccann. Maybe Jared still has some upside sure but its not top line potential so we have the better asset.
Against heavier teams Pearson is maybe our best forward. Hes tenacious on the forecheck and makes under-appreciated plays to maintain possession.
Every single center who has played behind (and with) Crosby & Malkin has benefited.
Those two also keeps in check whatever got Jared traded by two teams at such a young age.
Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:02 am
McCann is also 4 years younger, plays multiple positions and makes a fraction of Pearson’s cap hit. Penguins also have three years of control beyond this one.
Pearson has been a real good fit for this team because he's a two-way player with enough offense. People make fun of his empty netters, but there is a good reason he has been on the ice in the last minute of a one goal game.
Having said that, its silly to compare McCann to Pearson. Because Blob's right -- McCann is younger, probably still improving, and under control for a longer period of time. And because the trade wasn't McCann for Pearson. Most players are a indirect proceeds of prior decisions. Moreover, the Canucks had years of negative value from Gudbrandson. And gave up a 2d.
Ex ante, the idea of the Gudbrandson trade was fine -- a 1-year post-draft NHL forward with upside and warts (wide variability in future performance expectations) for former top defensive prospect who appeared to be a legitimate NHL defensemen with a fairly reasonable expectations of being a solid if unspectacular piece of a top 4. The results weren't fine -- not because McCann exploded (his career is neither boom nor bust), but because Guddy was like a bad version of Bryan Allen. He missed on his reasonable expectation.
Agree with all of this and I wasn’t the one comparing the two, just pointing out to the Chief Urinator that McCann maybe isn’t so bad. I have no problem with Tanner Pearson. He’s been solid and to get out from under that Gudbranson contract and replace him with an actual useful player is great.
The original trade was terrible, yet there are some who still think it wasn’t. The idea of acquiring a 24 year old big physical top 4 D man for that package was fine. The execution of the move and the target of that player was putrid. Bryan Allen was twice the player Gudbranson was. Very poor pro scouting for a couple years had put the team in a pinch cap wise and brought in players that have massively underperformed. It seems to be improving or maybe some personnel have been given the boot. I can’t believe the same scout(s) who green lit Eriksson, Gudbranson and Sutter still has a job. JT Miller on the other hand was a good target. Ditto for Oscar Fantenberg at that price.
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The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:48 am
I'm keeping Pearson over Mccann. Maybe Jared still has some upside sure but its not top line potential so we have the better asset.
Against heavier teams Pearson is maybe our best forward. Hes tenacious on the forecheck and makes under-appreciated plays to maintain possession.
Every single center who has played behind (and with) Crosby & Malkin has benefited.
Those two also keeps in check whatever got Jared traded by two teams at such a young age.
Not that i care but...you must've learned your grammar in the same van/high school parking lot as i did
Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:02 am
McCann is also 4 years younger, plays multiple positions and makes a fraction of Pearson’s cap hit. Penguins also have three years of control beyond this one.
Pearson has been a real good fit for this team because he's a two-way player with enough offense. People make fun of his empty netters, but there is a good reason he has been on the ice in the last minute of a one goal game.
Having said that, its silly to compare McCann to Pearson. Because Blob's right -- McCann is younger, probably still improving, and under control for a longer period of time. And because the trade wasn't McCann for Pearson. Most players are a indirect proceeds of prior decisions. Moreover, the Canucks had years of negative value from Gudbrandson. And gave up a 2d.
Ex ante, the idea of the Gudbrandson trade was fine -- a 1-year post-draft NHL forward with upside and warts (wide variability in future performance expectations) for former top defensive prospect who appeared to be a legitimate NHL defensemen with a fairly reasonable expectations of being a solid if unspectacular piece of a top 4. The results weren't fine -- not because McCann exploded (his career is neither boom nor bust), but because Guddy was like a bad version of Bryan Allen. He missed on his reasonable expectation.
That's why I gave Chef a +1. Pearson has been decent for us, and the trade at the time for Goody made sense, even if it didn't work out. Jim gets a D- for trading McCann for Goober (even if it looked ok at the time), but then gets a solid B+ for trading Goober for Pearson. It's still a net loss for the Canucks, but, not much of a loss once you balance everything out. Hell, Horvat got his winger out of the deal, so it can't be all bad.
Pearson will be gone after next season. They won’t be able to afford to keep him and there had better be young guys coming up to fill his top 6 position by then or this team is in big trouble.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
Pearson's role is to show our youth how to play in a heavy playoff game on the 2nd line.
Miller shows the boys on the first, Pearson the 2nd, Ferlund and Rousell on the third and Beagle on the 4th.
5 guys that can play 'heavy' and show the youth how its done. These guys will all fade off over the next few years, and their contratcs expire accordingly.
I wish we had 2 more on the team, or a couple of our boys will need crash courses for us to have playoff success
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Hank wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:01 pm
Um, which parking lot?
Burnaby North
You ever have a teacher named John Estereicher at Burnaby North?
Ya i did lol. He was a body builder i think
I just remembered he was the teacher that made me take my metallica "metal up your ass" concert shirt off in his class. It had a toilet with a hand holding a sword coming out of it. I argued and he sent me for detention.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:51 pm
Pearson will be gone after next season. They won’t be able to afford to keep him and there had better be young guys coming up to fill his top 6 position by then or this team is in big trouble.
Sky falls without Pearson... come on man
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