Uhm... they had evidence of the sex. The alledged perjury? Not so much.Topper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:34 amPer, you are wrong!Per wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:55 am It's hilarious that many republicans are claiming this impeachment is frivolous and uncalled for, yet they are the ones who impeached Clinton for cheating on his wife...
To me it seems pretty clear that the impeachment clause in the constitution is meant precisely to be used against corruption and abuse of power.
The only thing odd is that they left out the part of how Trump is using the office to enrich himself through his hotels.
The most blatant thing, that he actually was forced to back out of, was when he wanted to hold the G7 meeting at one of his own resorts!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ext-summit
Clinton was impeached for a crime identified during a Special Council investigation. An actual crime on the statutes. - perjury. He lied in his testimony while under oath. He said he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky yet she admitted they did have sex and his sperm was found staining her clothes. They had evidence of his crime .
There were basically two things he said under oath that were questionable.
1) something like ”there is nothing going on between me and Miss Lewinsky”
Clinton pointed out that he said ”is”, not that there had never been anything going on, but at the time he was questioned Lewinsky was no longer at the White House and their affair had ended long ago.
2) ”I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Now, the conversation leading up to that is crucial. Bill was asked if he had had sexual relations with her. He then asks ”define sexual relations” and is told ”well, you know, intercourse.” He then makes the above statement. Now, this exchange means that the question he is asked is really if he has had intercourse with Monica, which he supposedly didn’t. Allegedly, they only had oral.
Even some of the republicans in the senate voted against finding him guilty on this count.
Agreed. Impeachment should be about the integrity of the office and protecting democracy and the constitution.The Senate did not pursue the matter because they felt lying about his fidelity to his wife did not meet the standard of high crimes and misdemeanours.
Well, here’s what BBC said:The investigation into Trump was conducted in the a secretive basement room by partisan politicians and then in public hearings where the ability to call and question witnesses was curtailed and controlled by the same partisan politicians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50166577The Republicans argued that Democrats were conducting the impeachment inquiry in secret, with Representative Steve Scalise describing it as "a Soviet-style process".
"Every member of Congress ought to be allowed in that room. The press ought to be allowed in that room," he added.
The inquiry is led by a Democrat - Adam Schiff - and being run by the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs committees.
However, more than 40 Republicans are members of those committees, and permitted to take part in the hearings.
Democrats have argued that it is common for the initial stages of a congressional investigation to be conducted behind closed doors, and say private hearings are needed at the start, to stop witnesses from coordinating their testimony.
"The special counsels in the Nixon and Clinton impeachments conducted their investigations in private and we must initially do the same," Mr Schiff wrote in a letter to colleagues.
Well, apart from like a dozen witnesses, some life long republicans, that have testified that there was outspoken intent to withhold military aid from an allied country unless they provided dirt on a political opponent. Which would definitely constitute a crime. Abuse of power. Using the office in order to gain benefits for one self. Etc.No statute listed crime or misdemeanour was found in this horribly one sided investigation. There is no evidence and no crime.
Will have to get back to the rest in a while.
Beck!
