Canucks Young Guns

[SKYO]

So out goes Guddy and Pouliot replaced by Quinn Hughes (soon) pure QB and Josh Teves two-way dman, a smidgen bigger, lefty Stecher if you will.

[Blob Mckenzie]

So out goes Guddy and Pouliot replaced by Quinn Hughes (soon) pure QB and Josh Teves two-way dman, a smidgen bigger, lefty Stecher if you will.

I’m not so sure Teves is the guy earmarked for Pouliott’s spot. There’s still a lot of work to be done on that back end. And up front for that matter

[Carlyee]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

[Carlyee]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

OH yeah it is his +/-.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

OH yeah it is his +/-.

Ok... not sure what +/- has to do with anything.


Mceneny shredded his knee last year and apparently he moves like a 40 year old Dana Murzyn now. He was also injured recently and will be out for the remainder of the season. He’s 25.

[Strangelove]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

Who?

[Carl Yagro]

The Palmu and Dahlen lack of development could be weighing on Lockwood's mind. Utica might be getting a reputation for not being the best spot for rookies. Can't really blame him for choosing college if that is his impression.

I am not buying into the "Utica can't develop players" Schtickt that is being pushed by the media. Its garbage. Start of last season, Utica had 5-6 rookies in the lineup down there as we force fed prospects into the system.

But what is the definition of success?? I would say that if your farm team fed 2-3 guys onto your roster (or could feed 2-3 guys into the roster) every year that would be an AMAZING development program. Some of those assets would obviously get turned into other assets, but I think our media has an overblown expectation of youth development. The focus seems to be on 1 or 2 guys that may or may not <ever> pan into NHL regulars ( in any position)

In the last couple years, Utica has developed:
-Virtanen
Found his game down there. #Shotgun was on his way to playing himself out of the NHL and is a prime example of needing to mature and develop the skills, ethic and character to have any kind of success in the NHL. (Not arguing his potential, or that we wanted him to be Todd 2.0, just that he made it to the NHL as a regular who contributes in the lineup in some way, and learned the basics of how to do it in Utica)
- McEwan
Got his first taste of the NHL this year, and looks to be a guy who could play an energy guy role here. He was never really on anyones "watch" list. he developed in Utica.
-Goldobin
got his 30 games down there. Learned the hypothetical direction where his own goalie played. Took Travis Green (and time) to learn what his goalies name was and if he spoke English or not.
-Joulevi
was having a monster year down there until injury hit. No doubts he would have had a great long look in the show this year if he wasn't injury. Still improved his game in Utica.
-Demko
Proved that the AHL is a good stepping stone to the NHL - even for a goalie.
-Gaudette
Up and down, played his way onto the team this year because of the Sutter injury... and made Sutter expendable July 1st. Perfect example of development and getting your shot to make the NHL
- Sautner, Brisebois, Gaunce, Boucher, etc.. all serviceable injury fill ins with some of them (not Gaunce or Boucher - they peaked in high school)still having potential to improve somewhat.
- Gadovich, Lind, Chatfield, Karlsson -- all still in development.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. 6 guys for sure that were recently developed though our minor league system (I am sure I missed some), with a whack of guys that are serviceable call ups.

The media is feeding people Goat Shit, and they are paying for it by the pound. Fans and media need to manage their expectations, and stop finding every little thin g to grind an axe on or push a personal agenda.

Sometimes players just don't work out, for whatever reason. Could be a coach, could be a personality conflict, could be a bad teammate, usually is a lack of motivation, lack of skill, or lack or character.. but its ALWAYS WAAAAYYY easier to blame the system/team/coach than the player looking at himself in the mirror.

I agree, MCP. It's not always on the organization, half the onus is on the prospect. Sometimes they just aren't ready or just aren't good enough. That's normal in every organization.

I think we've seen some pretty decent development and steady progress.

Don't forget Markstrom was one of the worst established NHL goaltenders ever seen when he got traded here and had to develop in the AHL for an entire season. It's taken him until this year to finally live up to his true potential as a defacto #1. That's a lot of investment in development.

Like JB said, some of these young 'uns now expect things to be handed to them without working for it. And the local hyenas (media) will do anything to discredit this team using only opinions and conjecture. People really are eating all this goat shit up.

[Carlyee]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

OH yeah it is his +/-.

Ok... not sure what +/- has to do with anything.


Mceneny shredded his knee last year and apparently he moves like a 40 year old Dana Murzyn now. He was also injured recently and will be out for the remainder of the season. He’s 25.

I knew about the knee. I didn't know he was still hobbled. The +/- was an attempt at humor.

[ESQ]

The Palmu and Dahlen lack of development could be weighing on Lockwood's mind. Utica might be getting a reputation for not being the best spot for rookies. Can't really blame him for choosing college if that is his impression.

I am not buying into the "Utica can't develop players" Schtickt that is being pushed by the media. Its garbage. Start of last season, Utica had 5-6 rookies in the lineup down there as we force fed prospects into the system.

But what is the definition of success?? I would say that if your farm team fed 2-3 guys onto your roster (or could feed 2-3 guys into the roster) every year that would be an AMAZING development program. Some of those assets would obviously get turned into other assets, but I think our media has an overblown expectation of youth development. The focus seems to be on 1 or 2 guys that may or may not <ever> pan into NHL regulars ( in any position)

Agreed - the other point I would add to yours is that the AHL generally speaking doesn't produce offensive stars. Every farm team is littered with career AHLers (like Boucher) who cannot take that next step to the NHL. Every great offensive player in the league spent either no time in the AHL or less than half a season.

Rantanen with 52 AHL GP has the most out of the top-10 scorers,, Marchand is the only in the top-30 with over a full year in the AHL.

[SKYO]

And I think the longer Jim Benning (former long time scout, it's in his blood) and Brackett are here the more and more talent will be developed through the AHL.

Probably add another good 3 or 4 more quality prospects this June draft.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Wheres all this anti benning bullshit coming from? Hes doing a pretty decent job as a builder of a team from the ground up. There are dynamic young players in the lineup already and more on the way. What more can you ask realistically...

[Cousin Strawberry]

Why does everyone forget Evan Mceneny?

Who the fuck is that?

[Cousin Strawberry]

So out goes Guddy and Pouliot replaced by Quinn Hughes (soon) pure QB and Josh Teves two-way dman, a smidgen bigger, lefty Stecher if you will.

The chances of him making our roster are pretty long I'd guess. Hes just another d prospect until he shows he cn play. 24 years old and 6' 180? Better turn down the AC blowers or he'll be blown clean out of the rink

[Hockey Widow]

So out goes Guddy and Pouliot replaced by Quinn Hughes (soon) pure QB and Josh Teves two-way dman, a smidgen bigger, lefty Stecher if you will.

The chances of him making our roster are pretty long I'd guess. Hes just another d prospect until he shows he cn play. 24 years old and 6' 180? Better turn down the AC blowers or he'll be blown clean out of the rink

He will get his 10 games this year so they can see what he can do. But moving forward he will be fighting with Hutton, Hughes, Juolevi, Sautner, Brisbois, maybe Edler and maybe Pouliot, for a roster spot.

[Jovocop]

So out goes Guddy and Pouliot replaced by Quinn Hughes (soon) pure QB and Josh Teves two-way dman, a smidgen bigger, lefty Stecher if you will.

The chances of him making our roster are pretty long I'd guess. Hes just another d prospect until he shows he cn play. 24 years old and 6' 180? Better turn down the AC blowers or he'll be blown clean out of the rink

He will get his 10 games this year so they can see what he can do. But moving forward he will be fighting with Hutton, Hughes, Juolevi, Sautner, Brisbois, maybe Edler and maybe Pouliot, for a roster spot.

No Pouliot please!