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[Meds]

But, who pays for the abortion?

If the state is going to have any financial responsibility or service obligation in this procedure then it’s not as cut and dry because the State represents the people, not just the person.

The first question is when does life begin? At conception or at the point of awareness? If the State (aka the people, aka the majority in a democracy) says that life begins at conception, then you have the moral dilemma of abortion being nothing more than electively taking a life……now the moral foundations of state law are not unshakable. That’s why this is so complicated.

Isn't it the same issue, really?

I mean, if Christians really believe that abortion is killing, then I would expect them to be blowing up abortion clinics real good.

If you expect that then you don't know much about Christianity.

Okay fine but does it really make sense to tolerate the killing of unborn people as long as your taxes don't pay for it?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by tolerate.

I mean, the reason for Christianity’s opposition to abortion is not limited to just because it’s killing and “thou shall not kill”. The opposition to it is because killing is sin. However, a Christian cannot hold an unbeliever to that standard because the unbeliever does not understand what sin is and to them that do not know it is not sin.

Christians are supposed to effect change through their own choices and actions towards one another as well as towards others. It’s a “gospel of peace” after all…..although that peace is twofold.

Christians tolerate a lot of things that they shouldn’t. They condone things that they should not. They participate in things they should not. And Jesus was the one who said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Christians aren’t supposed to take up arms against their neighbours.

That being said, Christians in North America also live in a world where they are citizens who have the right to vote. They have the rights of any other citizen. Just like any other citizen they have the right to attempt to effect change at the ballot box or by writing their local representatives.

Trump even called them out during his first campaign (iirc) saying that Evangelicals have enormous power to effect change in that way. It’s the same in Canada.

But they so often do not get involved and instead are just along for the ride.

[Chef Boi RD]

Still waiting for the believers to provide the cold hard facts the existence of their god. For some weird reason they can’t, instead you get “prove that he doesn’t exist”. Always turning it around, avoiding, dodging, skirting…., can you do that for us, Mëds?

[Meds]

Still waiting for the believers to provide the cold hard facts the existence of their god. For some weird reason they can’t, instead you get “prove that he doesn’t exist”. Always turning it around, avoiding, dodging, skirting…., can you do that for us, Mëds?

Can you prove he doesn't?

[Chef Boi RD]

Still waiting for the believers to provide the cold hard facts the existence of their god. For some weird reason they can’t, instead you get “prove that he doesn’t exist”. Always turning it around, avoiding, dodging, skirting…., can you do that for us, Mëds?

Can you prove he doesn't?

Like clockwork

[Meds]

Still waiting for the believers to provide the cold hard facts the existence of their god. For some weird reason they can’t, instead you get “prove that he doesn’t exist”. Always turning it around, avoiding, dodging, skirting…., can you do that for us, Mëds?

Can you prove he doesn't?

Like clockwork

Then do so.

[Cornuck]

No that this 'debate' will ever go anywhere, but there is a separate thread to use....

[5thhorseman]

Thanks taking the time to respond Mëds.

[Cousin Strawberry]

No that this 'debate' will ever go anywhere, but there is a separate thread to use....

Theyre all dead.

Jesus was an extra-testicle who was beamed aboard his starship hence the whole "risen" thang

[Strangelove]

https://www.instagram.com/hyde_for_sena ... rMCgEOwBO/

[Topper]

How is that Obama nuclear deal with Iran now looking?

[Megaterio Llamas]

https://youtu.be/NUYvbT6vTPs?si=U8MIm3m9sVqxkHvI

[Topper]

Biden's "Don't" or Obama's "Line in the sand."

Which is the more hollow threat?

[rats19]

Biden's "Don't" or Obama's "Line in the sand."

Which is the more hollow threat?

Giving Iran billions says more than either…

[Topper]

Biden's "Don't" or Obama's "Line in the sand."

Which is the more hollow threat?

Giving Iran billions says more than either…

Yes, I mentioned the nuclear deal above.

And the IRGC is still not considered a terrorist organization by Canada

[Per]

How is that Obama nuclear deal with Iran now looking?

???

Bit of a non sequitur.

Israel blew up Iran's consulate in Damascus, in gross violation of the Geneva convention. Iran responded.

No nukes involved anywhere.

Hopefully it doesn't escalate any further.