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No, no I don’t
As the oft-told story goes, young Mr. Trump accepted a modest $1 million loan from his father, Fred, a moderately successful real estate developer from Queens, and — through smarts, hard work and sheer force of will — parlayed that loan into a multibillion-dollar global empire.
It’s a classic American tale of ambition and self-determination. Not Horatio Alger, exactly, but appealing, and impressive, nonetheless.
Except that, like so much of what Mr. Trump has been selling the American public in recent years, this origin story was a sham — a version of reality so elaborately embellished that it qualifies as fan fiction more than biography.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/opin ... -fred.htmlAs Donald Trump emerged as the favorite son, Fred made special deals and arrangements to increase Donald’s fortunes in particular. The Times found that, before Donald had turned 30, he had received close to $9 million from his father. Over the longer haul, he received upward of what, in today’s dollars, would be $413 million.
Funny you would go there seeing as the Clintons were accused of raping/sexually-assaulting/covering-up in the cases of 3 women.ukcanuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:03 pm
Hey Doc two more women coming forward, that’s three accusations now...ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:18 pmHa when was politics anything else ??Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:17 amWell done, no doubt this is the exact reasoning some folks would use before throwing down a false accusation.ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:25 amStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:55 pm He's not "a suspected rapist"and Blasey Ford is a hardcore political activist mounting a smear campaign, nothing more.
The Dems are desperate and they will fail... again.
You must be so proud.![]()
There is an allegation and until it’s proven to be true or false how can kavanaugh sit as a Supreme Court judge?
The answer is he can’t. If a teacher was accused even falsely he would be on leave until it’s sorted out.
Wait until the last possible moment in proceedings and then lay down a false accusation = stall tactics.
And of course smear campaigns against one's perceived enemy have their own rewards.
I call this dirty politics...
Tell me if the shoe was on the other foot, the republicans wouldn’t be howling with rage ?
Poor old Bill, all he got was a willing hummer and they tried to impeach the guy...
Shoulda got a medal if you ask me, have you seen the Guys wife ??![]()
I guess you would call that piling on.
But increasingly it looks like where there is smoke.
It's basically payback for Merrick Garland.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:56 am It's all about "feelings" with these people... are they using the wrong side of their brains... or are they just brainless?
Or is it a new devolved form of dirty politics we see when folks are possessed by Trump Derangement Syndrome.![]()
Bork You!
And to you that is the same as trying to destroy a man's life/reputation?Per wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:33 pmIt's basically payback for Merrick Garland.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:56 am It's all about "feelings" with these people... are they using the wrong side of their brains... or are they just brainless?
Or is it a new devolved form of dirty politics we see when folks are possessed by Trump Derangement Syndrome.![]()
It was an unprecedented move, to refuse a hearing for a scotus nominee, for almost a full year.
Not good enough when the other side is playing four dimensional chess:
Actually polls are indicating the childish nasty games the Dems are playing here is going to come back to haunt them in the mid-terms.Per wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:33 pm At this point, if the republicans confirm Kavenaugh, they can kiss the mid terms goodbye.
So, either pull back and get a new nominee, which may face a democratic congress either way, or confirm him, without properly investing the accusations, and lose by a landslide come november.![]()
How in the world could you call that brainless?
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:25 pm Actually polls are indicating the childish nasty games the Dems are playing here is going to come back to haunt them in the mid-terms.
According to the new survey, 45 percent of Americans said they now believe Ford, up from 32 percent before last week’s Senate hearing. In contrast, 33 percent said they now believe Kavanaugh, a federal judge on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, up from 26 percent before his testimony on Capitol Hill.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/mor ... o-new-poll“If the results of the FBI investigation are inconclusive, a majority of Americans do not think Judge Kavanaugh should be confirmed,” Miringoff said. “If the discussion remains at a ‘he said-she said’ level, the benefit of the doubt favors Ford.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... m-midtermsSilver concluded that victory over Kavanaugh could lead to defeat in November: “whichever party doesn’t get its way on Kavanaugh will have more reason to feel aggrieved – and perhaps more motivation to turn out to vote.”
Sorry for the link, but it's hard to find a site that will acknowledge/comment on such things.“Just over a month away from critical elections across the country, the wide Democratic enthusiasm advantage that has defined the 2018 campaign up to this point has disappeared,” NPR writes.
The poll, from NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist, reveals more.
“In July, there was a 10-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans saying the November elections were ‘very important,’” NPR reports. “Now, that is down to 2 points, a statistical tie.”
In other words, before the attack on Kavanaugh, Republicans weren’t very energized about the midterms. Now, they’re all fired up.
The result of hearings, at least in the short run, is the Republican base was awakened,” explained Lee Miringoff, director of the poll for Marist Institute for Public Opinion.
Meanwhile, a crushing number of Americans strongly disapprove of the way Feinstein handled what can only be described as a public lynching of Kavanaugh.
“A majority of voters believe that Kavanaugh’s confirmation process was politicized and mishandled, with 69% calling it a ‘national disgrace,’” the Harvard CAPS – Harris group found.
In this highly divided time in our country, it seems voters have found one thing they can nearly all agree on: the role Feinstein played in this fiasco was abominable.
“75% of voters believe that Senator Diana Feinstein (sic) should have immediately turned over the letter from Christine Ford to the Senate Judiciary committee in July, when she received it,” the Harvard CAPS – Harris poll found.
Considering how difficult it is for anyone to agree on anything these days, this is a remarkable finding.
Let’s hope so.Per wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:36 pmStrangelove wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:25 pm Actually polls are indicating the childish nasty games the Dems are playing here is going to come back to haunt them in the mid-terms.According to the new survey, 45 percent of Americans said they now believe Ford, up from 32 percent before last week’s Senate hearing. In contrast, 33 percent said they now believe Kavanaugh, a federal judge on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, up from 26 percent before his testimony on Capitol Hill.https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/mor ... o-new-poll“If the results of the FBI investigation are inconclusive, a majority of Americans do not think Judge Kavanaugh should be confirmed,” Miringoff said. “If the discussion remains at a ‘he said-she said’ level, the benefit of the doubt favors Ford.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... m-midtermsSilver concluded that victory over Kavanaugh could lead to defeat in November: “whichever party doesn’t get its way on Kavanaugh will have more reason to feel aggrieved – and perhaps more motivation to turn out to vote.”
As I suggested, drop Kavanaugh and have a fair shot at the mid terms, with angry republicans turning up for the vote, or confirm Kavanaugh and lose at the mid terms, as outraged democrats turn up for the vote.
They picked option number two, it seems.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:56 amFunny you would go there seeing as the Clintons were accused of raping/sexually-assaulting/covering-up in the cases of 3 women.ukcanuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:03 pm
Hey Doc two more women coming forward, that’s three accusations now...ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:18 pmHa when was politics anything else ??Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:17 amWell done, no doubt this is the exact reasoning some folks would use before throwing down a false accusation.ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:25 amStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:55 pm He's not "a suspected rapist"and Blasey Ford is a hardcore political activist mounting a smear campaign, nothing more.
The Dems are desperate and they will fail... again.
You must be so proud.![]()
There is an allegation and until it’s proven to be true or false how can kavanaugh sit as a Supreme Court judge?
The answer is he can’t. If a teacher was accused even falsely he would be on leave until it’s sorted out.
Wait until the last possible moment in proceedings and then lay down a false accusation = stall tactics.
And of course smear campaigns against one's perceived enemy have their own rewards.
I call this dirty politics...
Tell me if the shoe was on the other foot, the republicans wouldn’t be howling with rage ?
Poor old Bill, all he got was a willing hummer and they tried to impeach the guy...
Shoulda got a medal if you ask me, have you seen the Guys wife ??![]()
I guess you would call that piling on.
But increasingly it looks like where there is smoke.
https://metro.co.uk/2016/01/08/former-s ... r-5609171/
"Piling on" you say, "Where there's smoke" you say?
I don't recall you or yours ever being outraged about the Clintons' character over the same (actually worse - ie rape, not assault) things.
And I don't recall Republicans ever going completely berserk (in Dem fashion) over the accusations leveled at Billy.
With the Dems it's not about how much evidence there is/isn't... they just arbitrarily decide who is guilty/innocent.
They would like to change the Supreme Court into a Kangaroo Court... not gunna happen.
It's all about "feelings" with these people... are they using the wrong side of their brains... or are they just brainless?
Or is it a new devolved form of dirty politics we see when folks are possessed by Trump Derangement Syndrome.![]()
Not like this they didn't...
WINNING
Salty!
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