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[Chef Boi RD]

Mike Johnson (Rep) sends $61 Billion to the Ukraine
Trudeau sends $3 Billion

Your thoughts?

[5thhorseman]

Is Trumpy-poo wearing pants in that pic?

Well, that Depends. Trumpy-poo

[Per]

According to LaraTrump the RNC has lawsuits in 81 states.

Not sure what other countries than the USA she is referring to.

[Strangelove]

81 different states of progress...

[Cousin Strawberry]

Is Trumpy-poo wearing pants in that pic?

Well, that Depends. Trumpy-poo

[Per]

Is Trumpy-poo wearing pants in that pic?

Well, that Depends. Trumpy-poo

[donlever]

So Per, 5th, Corn are thumbs down to Trump because he's a narcissistic, self absorbed, power hungry, criminalistic Troll (which they all are but for the purposes of this conversation let's say that's besides the point).

Doc & rats are cool with Trump and believe he will at the very least keep people, both in the USA as well as Globally, in their lanes and, to a degree, make America (maybe not to the level of MAGA but) somewhat relevant again beyond being a war mongering, military and pharma industrial complex driven immigration dumping ground which purports to be a Democracy but arguably is not.

Mëds wants some sort of positive move to cease the folly that currently exists throughout the political realm thus creating some form of normalcy in our lives as well as for his children to hopefully have a shot at the freedoms and positivity we all enjoyed.

Hank thinks they're all criminals and equally guilty amongst the group whether it's Putin and the CCCP, Xi JingPing and the PRC, Netanyahu, Hezbollah, the IRG or Joe fucking Biden (lets keep Trudeau out of this as one puppet, or should I say muppet, in the conversation is plenty).

Topper is on board with none of the current NA political (or potential) leaders and is looking beyond all the frontrunners in an effort to support (or at least believe in) someone who not only espouses a series of reasonable platforms for the betterment (or at least status fucking quo with respect to the high times of NA politics and lifestyle opportunity) of the western (if not world) citizen base but who also doesn't get into a room with the others and start squawking like a petulant 3 year old who can't have their lollipop before dinner.

...and Dude is basically trolling as per his unfortunate morhped into standards compared to what used to be.

That about it?

Close the thread now?

[5thhorseman]

Donny, we need a place to post this shit, and trolling/baiting/insults just comes with the territory. Thick skin required, nobody needs to read this thread, and all that.

Coming back to the point, I think the deeper issue is whether democracy has reached the end of its useful lifespan. Just looking at the US, there's a realization that the current structures / processes are not working anymore. From the right it is a complete mistrust (or is it distrust, Doc?) of the election process (probably misplaced, but that's beside the point). From the left it's clear that the checks and balances that keep rampant corruption out of the system are not enough anymore. Trump has pushed the boundaries that far.

But the US seems stuck and unable to change. The primacy of the US Constitution ensures this. For example gun rights. Doesn't matter how many elementary school shootings there are, I don't think there will ever be meaningful changes. And this seems to apply everything else as well. There's been only one amendment made in the last 50 years so when is the next one going to happen? Not very soon is my guess. Everything is so polarized and dysfunctional and I don't think it's entirely due to Trump.

Bottom line is that democracy, like anything else, needs to evolve, but is unable to do so. Anything that can't evolve will eventually die.

Pardon my ramblings

[donlever]

Appreciate the post 5th, well stated whether one agrees or disagrees.

IMHO blaming Trump (not you because you speak to this point towards the end of your post) for the current failings of the USA in its entirety or the complete disconnect from citizenship realities with respect to their political processes minimizes actualities.

Even "if" Trump has pushed boundaries to the degree you suggest, or imply, the "other sides" reactions are equally (if indeed not arguably moreso) divisionary.

It's a mess.

I've lived my life based on a premise of take care of your own house first and then move beyond.

In extremely simplistic terms lose the mortgage before spending 200K on a Mercedes or staying at the 4 Seasons on the Big Island and NEVER go into debt while doing those things.

Take care of you and yours before taking care of others.

Thanks for the lessons Dad.



It's gotten me to a place in my life where I can wake up on a Saturday and flip Brian and his site 500 bucks and not blink an eye while doing so.

This is not stated out of arrogance or braggadocia, it's just fact, it's where I am in MY world, doesn't make me better or worse than anyone, it just is (and I do not mean to imply others here do not have the wherewithal to do the same).

My point?

The good ol' US of A (and Canada) need to hit the brakes, get back to their roots and take care of their internal issues and growth before funding wars worldwide with billions of dollars they don't have.

Take care of the homestead first and foremost!

Canada's Natural resource base, as well know, is such that we should be an economic leader in the world and not dealing with the financial struggles many of our population are.

But.

Not going to happen.

(...and yes Per, I get it, it is to simplistic a vision, no need for charts and graphs regaling me with how Global partnerships, responsibilities and agreements work in 2024...)

So, in summary....

Things as they are will never change to the degree they need to whether it's a muppet, an orange dude, a smells like sulphur greaseball from California, a Ramaswamy or a Kennedy in charge.

We can trade barbs, post memes, argue about Trump and NATO and whether the Western world is "really" protecting democracy in the Ukraine or funding their own internal war mongering engine while further enriching the billionaire elites who hold the real power but, as Led Zeppelin said, the song remains the same.

As I stated above....it's a mess.

...and it goes far beyond slickster art of the deal motherfuckers or old invalids who have security docs in their Vette at home.

You mentioned rants?!!

[Meds]

(All of the deLevery)

That about it?

You forgot two items…..

1. That 5th is an authoritarian advocate who wants to see a totalitarian regime that strips individual freedoms under the guise of a D.E.I. mantra and health and safety justifications.

2. That Per is a LeftWingLock extremist peddling communism dressed up as fantastical socialism.

[Strangelove]

Coming back to the point, I think the deeper issue is whether democracy has reached the end of its useful lifespan.

Fucking commies...

[Strangelove]

Coming back to the point, I think the deeper issue is whether democracy has reached the end of its useful lifespan.

Fucking commies...

Let's clarify.

The deeper issue is whether the current version of democracy has reached the end of its useful lifespan.

As I said, democracy (at least in the US) seems unable to evolve, so what's stopping it from dying like other life forms that fail to evolve?

WOW, you're really out there aren't you.

Democracy is a lifeform and Trump is singularly responsible for most, if not all of America's problems.

the checks and balances that keep rampant corruption out of the system are not enough anymore. Trump has pushed the boundaries that far.
...

Everything is so polarized and dysfunctional and I don't think it's entirely due to Trump.

So Trump is responsible for all the corruption in America and most or the dysfunctionality.

Earth to Horsey: Get some help.

Seriously, there’s no point in having a discussion with you on America, you’ve completely lost the plot.

[Chef Boi RD]

Nothing was ever in tune. People just blindly grabbed at whatever there was: communism, health foods, zen, surfing, ballet, hypnotism, group encounters, orgies, biking, herbs, Catholicism, weight-lifting, travel, withdrawal, vegetarianism, India, painting, writing, sculpting, composing, conducting, backpacking, yoga, copulating, gambling, drinking, hanging around, frozen yogurt, Beethoven, Back, Buddha, Christ, TM, H, carrot juice, suicide, handmade suits, jet travel, New York City, and then it all evaporated and fell apart. People had to find things to do while waiting to die. I guess it was nice to have a choice. - Charles Bukowski

[Strangelove]

Charles Bukowski sucks.

[Chef Boi RD]

Charles Bukowski sucks.

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people (Democrats) are full of doubts, while the stupid ones (Moscow Marge and the Republicans) are full of confidence. -
Charles Bukowski