Cornuck wrote:I also think that the average talent of goalies goes up each year. Better training, more experience, better athletes - each year there seem more of the "very good" goalies (as you call them). WIth this, they remain valuable, and could replace the 'top 3' in terms of value to team per $.
The other side is that 'very good' goalies have off years, and can make a decent team look bad.
And for what it's worth, I think Luongo is being wasted this year as a Canuck.
Reverend Smack wrote:I'm to lazy to look it up, but I am positive that Kipper is locked up for the next 4 or so years at 6mill plus.
If it was not for Roberto, Vancouver would be in the Stamkos sweepstakes!! Again, Vancouver's biggest problem is their warm and fuzzy forwards.
Farhan Lalji wrote: It's no coincidence that teams like New Jersey, Colorado, Detroit, and Dallas were the only Stanley Cup winners between 1995 and 2003. These teams had Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, and Ed Belfour respectively.
rockalt wrote:My God, if we're already at this point than clearly we don't deserve the world-class goalie we have! I'm sorry you guys, but I simply find this thread ridiculous. We FINALLY have that goalie and now we're already discussing what we can get for him. It's preposterous. First it doesn't make any sense. Second, it's never going to happen because the moment Nonis trades Luongo, he removes his greatest coup from the picture and is consequently fired.
It's simple. The WCE-era Canucks was a far superior team to this year's version. We had two bonafide first line forwards, two top d-man anchoring our defense, and a strong supporting cast. Sure we were somewhat of a one line team, but we could afford to do that when we had the best line in hockey. The only thing that was missing was a quality goaltender and it was ultimately our undoing. People can bitch about leadership all they want but Nazzy potted 9 points in 7 games in the 2003-2004 playoffs (including one miraculous rush in the dying seconds of game 7) and 14 points in 14 games in the 2002-2003 playoffs. We lost because of Cloutier, plain and simple. The team had no confidence in their goaltender, as much as I loved the guy.
Fast forward to the current squad. Luongo was brought into a team handcuffed by gross salaries to aging stars. For one thing, Nazzy is a shell of his former self and at 6 million, that will kill you. If we had the Nazzy from 2002-2003, then we probably wouldn't even be in this situation. Ohlund - as much as I love him, he's slowed down a lot over the years and isn't as rock solid as he was 5 years ago. Mo at 3.2 mill is killer. The Sedins are elite second liners but completely pale in comparison to Nazzy-Bertuzzi circa 2002-20003. They can't carry a team with little to no offensive talent.
Wait until next year when some of the larger contracts come off the books and then reserve judgement. I don't see how saving 1 maybe 2 million at the goaltender position (which is realistically all you'd save if you went for a "very good" goalie) will do nothing. Every team needs elite talent to succeed. Investing that money in a goalie makes a hell of a lot more sense than devoting it one stellar left-winger. It's not like we're going to be able to load up on 2-3 million dollar 20 goal scorers even if we unload Luongo.
Mikodat wrote:remember we will be saddled with a 3.5 mill contract for Bieksa ( Thanks Nonis ).... who is proving to be a defensive liability.