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The primary goal of this site is to provide mature, meaningful discussion about the Vancouver Canucks. However, we all need a break some time so this forum is basically for anything off-topic, off the wall, or to just get something off your chest! This forum is named after poster Creeper, who passed away in July of 2011 and was a long time member of the Canucks message board community.
I'd post links about astronomers and the next Maunder Minimum but if you actually wanted to know it's an easy google...
I googled your first link and found your man is on Exxon Mobil’s payroll.
I’m not saying he is completely wrong but I’ll take what he has to say as having ulterior motives.
“According to the News Journal, "the Union of Concerned Scientists published a study listing Legates among several scientists it described as 'familiar spokespeople from ExxonMobil-funded organizations' that have regularly taken stands or sponsored reports questioning the science behind climate change warnings."[13] Legates is a senior scientist of the Marshall Institute,[14] a research fellow with the Independent Institute,[15] and an adjunct scholar of the Competitive Enterprise Institute,[16] all of which have received funding from ExxonMobil.[17][18]”
Ian Plimer, on the payroll of the mining industry, is it surprising that this atheist has a vested interest in claiming his nest egg is harmless ?
Doc We probably could go nack and forth all day but in the end it seems only common sense to me that we are changing the globe as surely as yeast consumes sugar in a barrel to poison itself into wine.
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Topper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 pm
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Straw man. No-one is trying to make a lasting effect in terms of millenia. For the most part people are thinking of the immediate future, i.e. their kids and grandkids.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:28 pm.
We can go "nack and forth all day" because indeed there is no scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change.
Climate change has been occurring since long before mankind was a factor.
The Paris Agreement had zero chance of reversing the current climate change trend.
The scientific consensus among astronomers is that a new Maunder Minimum (mini ice age) is on the horizon.
You can believe whatever you want, but you should be vigilant in this day and age to ensure you haven't been brainwashed.
No consensus according to those that don’t want there to be a consensus you mean.
Topper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 pm
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Straw man. No-one is trying to make a lasting effect in terms of millenia. For the most part people are thinking of the immediate future, i.e. their kids and grandkids.
Princely the shortsighted arrogant belief that natural processes can be reversed in order to perpetuate a species in stasis.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Topper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 pm
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Straw man. No-one is trying to make a lasting effect in terms of millenia. For the most part people are thinking of the immediate future, i.e. their kids and grandkids.
Princely the shortsighted arrogant belief that natural processes can be reversed in order to perpetuate a species in stasis.
I doubt anyone seriously believes natural processes can be reversed but I think it’s clear that most people not in oil and gas and mining and heavy industry can admit the common sense in limiting our footprint as much as possible.
The situation reminds me of the stories about lamplighters in the 19th century, they fought electric lights tooth and nail, coming up with the same types of arguments but in the end electric lights won out and lamplighters are gone.
Topper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 pm
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Straw man. No-one is trying to make a lasting effect in terms of millenia. For the most part people are thinking of the immediate future, i.e. their kids and grandkids.
Princely the shortsighted arrogant belief that natural processes can be reversed in order to perpetuate a species in stasis.
The nice thing about natural processes is that they are very slow, giving mankind time to adapt. It's an acceleration of the change that we want to avoid.
Topper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 pm
Climate change has been ongoing for over 4.6 billion years. The catastrophic events in earths history are due to geologic and or cosmic events. Species have come and gone. Mass extinctions have occurred. Earth kept rolling along as did life on Earth. To think our insignificant species can have a lasting effect is to be on the arrogant side of the debate.
Straw man. No-one is trying to make a lasting effect in terms of millenia. For the most part people are thinking of the immediate future, i.e. their kids and grandkids.
Princely the shortsighted arrogant belief that natural processes can be reversed in order to perpetuate a species in stasis.
The nice thing about natural processes is that they are very slow, giving mankind time to adapt. It's an acceleration of the change that we want to avoid.
Agreed 5, I even agree with Topper on some points but to blatantly say there is no climate change is the arrogant part. I guess it makes some people happy and they can go to bed at night.
