Cooke to Nashville for Upshall?

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Cooke to Nashville for Upshall?

Postby inferno » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:16 pm

anyone seen this yet?

http://predzone.com/article.php?id=37

Anyone heard anything about this? I would love this trade. But then again, I have been accused of being a Cookie hater on other forums.
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Postby the_bad_fish » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:56 pm

good find on that article. If cookie is what they are looking for then they have a couple of options that could work for us. I know alot of people love Cookie but this would be a great for Vancouver.
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Postby Linden Is God » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:35 pm

I would love this too. Cooke is a good player, but a RW is something we need.
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Postby MarkMM » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:51 pm

I dunno, he's a left-hand shot who can play both wings, same as Cooke. Aside from a salary dump, not sure how this improves us...

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Postby Cornuck » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:56 pm

Here's another profile on Upshall, could be a good pickup at the price.

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Postby MarkMM » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:24 pm

Hmm, it seems that at worst he would be a cheaper replacement for Cooke, at best an offensive winger, HF has him projected as a sure-thing second-liner, cheaper and younger than Cooke. I guess it'd come down to how much premium we put on Cooke's experience and the thought that we've made so many changes that we're at the point where we want to be protecting team cohesion. That said, dumping Cooke's salary might allow us to solidify the defense, if not at the beginning of training camp then maybe further into the season, I'll be honest, I haven't seen enough of Upshall to judge him properly and I think Cooke has enough upside to warrant him getting a look offensively, but upon reflection, I don't think I'd complain if this deal went through.
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Postby gobi » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:08 am

I would rather that we keep Cooke and trade Kesler instead. I know Kesler is younger but he is asking for the world already when he hasn't done much to deserve it (Peter Schaefer?).
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Postby stevethiessen » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:43 am

The hangup here is that NAS has publlicly said they want to shed some payroll... when cooke for upshall would be taking some on. Now kesler for upshall could work.
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Postby MarkMM » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:21 am

It'd be a shame to lose Kesler as I think he's got great promise, I'm not as optimistic about his offensive upside (when he was drafted Burke projected him as an "elite third-liner"), but still, you nee these types, and he's young and cheap, what we need to keep cap space to load up on other assets. But for these reasons, this makes more sense than Cooke.
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Postby gobi » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:10 pm

MarkMM wrote:and he's young and cheap


He's not cheap...not for what he's asking.
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Postby MarkMM » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:06 pm

gobi wrote:
MarkMM wrote:and he's young and cheap


He's not cheap...not for what he's asking.


Yeah, I'm going under the impression that he'll sign for cheap, Nonis doesn't seem to be the guy who'll cave, and Kesler has no negotiating power...unless he wants to go to Russia.
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Postby nuckfan in TO » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:48 am

I read that article a couple days ago, and the first thought that came to my mind was that the writer was confused!

First they talk about how Upshall (or Hartnell or Erat) could be made available because the team has 14 forwards that all would need to clear waivers to be sent down to the farm... this doesn't include Radulov - who's not waiver eligible - but is still expected to make the team this year... so that gives them 15 forwards on the team.

The biggest reason why they need to make a move - according to the reasoning in the article - is too many players that would go against the cap as they can't all fit on the pro team, because of waiver eligibility.

So really what good does it do them to flip Upshall or Hartnell or Erat for another forward who's also waiver eligibile?

the logic doesn't add up... I don't doubt that they'd be interested in Cooke... and I don't doubt that one or two of their forwards will be made available via trade - but what I doubt is a team that is looking to move one or two of their 14 waiver eligibile forwards would have a need to bring another forward back in a trade.

it just doesn't add up.

More than likely if any of those guys are moved, it'll be for picks, prospects or young non-waiver eligible players.

And then it's also no secret that the team is looking for another veteran dman to round out their back end... so if you've got a wealth of tradable assets, doesn't it make more sense to use those assets to add a dman, instead of another forward?

I don't think all this is anything more than fan speculation done by a writer on that website... I think that we'll see Nashville make a trade for maybe one or two forwards returning a quality veteran dman in exchange... that makes more sense IMO than adding Cooke to a forward unit that already has 15 capable NHL level forwards.
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Postby gobi » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:48 pm

I wonder if Nashville will be interested in one of our goalie prospects besides Schneider and add in Kesler for Upshall?
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Postby MarkMM » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:06 pm

gobi wrote:I wonder if Nashville will be interested in one of our goalie prospects besides Schneider and add in Kesler for Upshall?


They probably would, but I wouldn't, that's a pretty big overpayment for a guy who at best is marginally better than Kesler.

Kesler's profiles on both TSN and HF are pretty similar in terms of upside...

http://hockeysfuture.com/prospect/ryan_kesler
http://hockeysfuture.com/prospect/scottie_upshall
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio ... hl-canucks
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio ... -predators
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Postby The_Pauser » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:30 pm

As much as I like Upshall, Cooke for Upshall won't happen. I'd do Kesler for Upshall though, but I dont think there's any substance to any of these deals.
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