The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Meds » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:20 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:11 am
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.

From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.

Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown

Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund

Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik

Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa

Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Yup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps. :look:

Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.

Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:23 am

Erik Gudbranson for Jared McCann, Alex Debrincat and Victor Mete is easily what it could have been.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:27 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:23 am
Erik Gudbranson for Jared McCann, Alex Debrincat and Victor Mete is easily what it could have been.
But it’s not what became

McCann - 2 goals 4 assists - yikes!!
Asplund - 1 goal 2 assists - holy hell!!
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:30 am

Meds wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:20 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:11 am
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.

From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.

Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown

Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund

Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik

Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa

Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Yup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps. :look:

Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.

Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.
Certainly they didn’t win any cups. Not going there re 2011. Point is Elmer hasn’t brought in a legit top 4 guy in five years at the helm - full stop.

But this defence has three guys or four guys on it that belong in the AHL . They have two pretty good guys that are injured a ton and a couple bottom pairing guys in Hutton and Gudbranson. Obviously they need a stud but these guys are never available. I’d look at trading Boeser for a young legit top pairing all situations guy in the summer or even in season.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:31 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:27 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:23 am
Erik Gudbranson for Jared McCann, Alex Debrincat and Victor Mete is easily what it could have been.
But it’s not what became

McCann - 2 goals 4 assists - yikes!!
Asplund - 1 goal 2 assists - holy hell!!
Maybe Elmer the best drafter in the history of the NHL picksxthe guys I listed. They also puked in a 4th round pick into the deal
“ROR IS OVERRATED, MACKINNON IS A BUM, TAVARES IS DONE”

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:34 am

Are talking drafting D-men - Hughes, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Brisebios, Juolevi?

Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:37 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:31 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:27 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:23 am
Erik Gudbranson for Jared McCann, Alex Debrincat and Victor Mete is easily what it could have been.
But it’s not what became

McCann - 2 goals 4 assists - yikes!!
Asplund - 1 goal 2 assists - holy hell!!
Maybe Elmer the best drafter in the history of the NHL picksxthe guys I listed. They also puked in a 4th round pick into the deal
8 other teams in the 2nd round prior to DeSmurfcat (5’-7”) being drafted at 39th, didn’t draft DeSmurfCat, are they Elmer’s too?
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:39 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:34 am
Are talking drafting D-men - Hughes, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Brisebios, Juolevi?

Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
I’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
“ROR IS OVERRATED, MACKINNON IS A BUM, TAVARES IS DONE”

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:41 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:39 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:34 am
Are talking drafting D-men - Hughes, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Brisebios, Juolevi?

Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
I’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Anyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:49 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:41 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:39 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:34 am
Are talking drafting D-men - Hughes, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Brisebios, Juolevi?

Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
I’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Anyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?
He’s been here five years. Not one of those guys is a sure bet to be good. Most of them won’t be. Why can he only bring in scrubs via free agency or trade?
“ROR IS OVERRATED, MACKINNON IS A BUM, TAVARES IS DONE”

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:55 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:49 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:41 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:39 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:34 am
Are talking drafting D-men - Hughes, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Brisebios, Juolevi?

Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
I’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Anyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?
He’s been here five years. Not one of those guys is a sure bet to be good. Most of them won’t be. Why can he only bring in scrubs via free agency or trade?
Blob, you’re on the Pro Tank Rebuild Plan, hence your desire to tank for the 2019 draft. You’re now talking out of your ass. Pick one, are you pro-rebuild or not? If you are, then you should be tipping your hat to Elmer for drafting D-men with strong potential like he has been. If he wasn’t I’d have your back on this one

Rebuild or win now? What are you? If you are “win now” then you have a very strong case
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:06 am

It’s irrelevant and obviously I have wanted a rebuild for many years. That doesn’t mean you can’t trade for or sign a good defenceman. Rebuilds are completed over a period of many years. This team is in the middle of one. During a rebuild it isn’t a crime to acquire good players.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Meds » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:30 am
Meds wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:20 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:11 am
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.

From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.

Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown

Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund

Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik

Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa

Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Yup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps. :look:

Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.

Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.
Certainly they didn’t win any cups. Not going there re 2011. Point is Elmer hasn’t brought in a legit top 4 guy in five years at the helm - full stop.

But this defence has three guys or four guys on it that belong in the AHL . They have two pretty good guys that are injured a ton and a couple bottom pairing guys in Hutton and Gudbranson. Obviously they need a stud but these guys are never available. I’d look at trading Boeser for a young legit top pairing all situations guy in the summer or even in season.
If you mean legit top 4 guy regardless of who he plays with, then I certainly can't argue with that. I think Gudbranson is better than you give him credit for, and he is an adequate #4 if he's paired with the right person. That will probably change (already is changing) as the league is getting faster and he gets walked to the outside too easily. In an ideal world he looks more and more like a #5.

You would trade Boeser? I'm curious to hear you reason why if it's anything beyond him looking to be a 50-60 game player.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Chef Boi RD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:37 am

With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
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