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One of the issues is finding room for Sautner and Juolevi next year. I guess I’d rather move out journeymen like Biega and MDZ rather than not fully developed players like Hutton and Stecher. If the coach is not happy with effort he can limit ice time and drop players down the depth chart, focus on areas to improve during practise sessions and look for improvement over time. A defense of:
Gudbranson Edler
Tanev Juolevi
Pouliot Sautner
Stecher Hutton
Has more potential, and is probably not significantly worse than:
Gudbranson Edler
Tanev Juolevi
Pouliot Del Zotto
Biega Sautner
Until Tryamkin comes back or Dobson/Boqvist/Hughes/Bouchard is ready the Canucks should keep as much potential as possible and see if the coaches can earn their stripes and develop their younger players. We know the journeymen won’t be around when the Canucks turn the corner.
Gudbranson Edler
Tanev Juolevi
Pouliot Sautner
Stecher Hutton
Has more potential, and is probably not significantly worse than:
Gudbranson Edler
Tanev Juolevi
Pouliot Del Zotto
Biega Sautner
Until Tryamkin comes back or Dobson/Boqvist/Hughes/Bouchard is ready the Canucks should keep as much potential as possible and see if the coaches can earn their stripes and develop their younger players. We know the journeymen won’t be around when the Canucks turn the corner.
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If that’s the case ship Pouliott and Eriksson out and put Gudbranson on noticeStrangelove wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:33 pmWe're not building a country club.
Hutton was shit last season so ship him out and put Stecher on notice (also shit).
Send the right signals amirite?
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Hutton is just one of those guys. Not a party animal type, but just too easy going. Not overly driven. It won’t fly with Green
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Hutton played better after being sat, so keep sitting him and reinserting him until he learns to play more consistently at a higher level. Green has a reputation as a straight forward coach. If he comes down hard on Hutton over and over, he might improve and play more like he did in his rookie season. Sautner, Pouliot, Juolevi, Stecher don’t need to play every game. Keep sitting different players after each loss so they can get a chance to watch some games and think about their games. Team wins, roster stays the same. Team losses, the players that sat get a chance. After each loss when Hutton plays, sit him until he becomes more consistent. Biega and MDZ are what they are, Hutton has more potential. Whether he can reach it or not is the big question.
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If that works, why trade him, cuz that is a role we need filled. Also, the other GMs can usually see through the smoke and mirrors if the results are fake news.
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Very well said.Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 am Until Tryamkin comes back or Dobson/Boqvist/Hughes/Bouchard is ready the Canucks should keep as much potential as possible and see if the coaches can earn their stripes and develop their younger players. We know the journeymen won’t be around when the Canucks turn the corner.
Though the only thing I'd add is - don't worry about making room. The Canucks' 7/8 defencemen will play 40+ games due to injuries, #9 will probably get 20ish games.
I like Skyo's pump-and-dump idea, I think it could work equally well for Hutton or Pouliot. Moving one of those guys would bump one of Sautner or Juolevi up a spot and mean they probably get 40ish games. But there's nothing wrong with that happening a few months after camp.
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With pure offensive zone minutes while playing with Bo/Boeser/Pettersson, Hutton should be able to get 30 assists, and try to reach 130 shots he could get some bounces like 2016/17 and pop in 5 goals.Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:42 pmProblem with Hutton though is his shot is a muffin, and he often looks lost in the offensive zone.
5 goals, 30 assists, his value goes way up.
iirc his metrics were pretty solid to boot.
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Really, there is no great need to trade anyone from the defense. Biega will easily pass through waivers and Juolevi can start the season in Utica and get a recall after the first injury, which usually happens before the preseason is a couple games old. the way injuries it the Canucks, he probably wouldn't miss any regular season games if he plays well enough to make the team.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:31 amVery well said.Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 am Until Tryamkin comes back or Dobson/Boqvist/Hughes/Bouchard is ready the Canucks should keep as much potential as possible and see if the coaches can earn their stripes and develop their younger players. We know the journeymen won’t be around when the Canucks turn the corner.
Though the only thing I'd add is - don't worry about making room. The Canucks' 7/8 defencemen will play 40+ games due to injuries, #9 will probably get 20ish games.
I like Skyo's pump-and-dump idea, I think it could work equally well for Hutton or Pouliot. Moving one of those guys would bump one of Sautner or Juolevi up a spot and mean they probably get 40ish games. But there's nothing wrong with that happening a few months after camp.
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If that works it's most likely cause management wanted Green to do it lol, but the thinking is what if Green just doesn't like Hutton's vibe? which HW alluded to, as ya know some coaches are petty & just don't like a players personality for whatever reason, even though the best coaches are the ones who don't give a fuck like Scotty Bowman who was the puppet master, he knew how to push any player's buttons, kept all his players mind game fcuked to get em going no matter what.lol
Ya know, thinking about it all, maybe that's what Greener is doing to get Hutton all pissed off to come into camp a beast.
Sportsnet 650:
Hutton on tough love from Green, "There was pushback from me too, it's tough just taking it the whole time, there was push back but we had a good relationship. We bumped heads a few times but the relation is healthier for it."
Hutton on if he see's a future in Vancouver : "Definitely, Greener was really tough on me for sure but at the same time, he was telling me to get better. If he didn't care, he would turn his head the other way."
Hutton on his tough year : "When adversity comes, you have to stare it in the face, accept it and challenge yourself."
Hutton on people saying he's out of shape, "Personally I don't agree with that, at the same time if that's what they are saying, I will be in the best shape I have ever been in. I will be in the top leaderboards in the fitness, I am going hard 5 days a week."
Ben Hutton on only 6 assists last year : " I was lacking a little bit of confidence, I went from a powerplay guy to penalty killing, little bit of a different role for me. I need to find my confidence, I am capable of making the plays."
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^^^^^^
And maybe, just maybe, that fire, that piss and vinegar was exactly what Green was trying to uncover. Could we see a pumped up ready to rumble defensive beast out of Hutton come this fall?
And maybe, just maybe, that fire, that piss and vinegar was exactly what Green was trying to uncover. Could we see a pumped up ready to rumble defensive beast out of Hutton come this fall?
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What is Eriksson’s problem? Is he a party animal?
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That would be awesome if that came to fruition!Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:35 am ^^^^^^
And maybe, just maybe, that fire, that piss and vinegar was exactly what Green was trying to uncover. Could we see a pumped up ready to rumble defensive beast out of Hutton come this fall?
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ICYMI Elliotte thinking Hanifin is in the Canucks targets in his 31 thoughts.
What about #7 for Hanifin? Ferraro thinking Hanifin is a 2nd tier guy, saying he doesn't think anyone on the canucks roster can get a hanifin, meaning the untouchables are out of that equation, but he thinks if the dman the Canucks want is gone by #7 maybe they trade it for a young dman. And Hanifin would be asking for a sizeable contract even as a RFA.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pmI would never trade Marner for Hanafin
Could be like that hamilton to calgary deal as Hamilton turned down Boston's contract offer so they dealt him quickly for picks.
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OMG Cliffy, you're the antistrangelove!Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 7:09 pmDepending, of course, on who is left at #7, that could be the best use of the pick.
I'd do it if Tkachuk were the BPA remaining at #7.
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