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[Strangelove]

There are some that think that the current turmoil in Iraq/Syria at least in part is due to climate change.

"Some"... like Bernie Sanders and Prince Charles?

Ahh you lefties and your alarmism!

They had several drought years in Syria before the protests against the Assad regime started. Without the drought, maybe there would have been less frustrated people taking to the streets? Without street protests - no brutal crackdown. Without the brutal crackdown - no civil war. Without the civil war - no opportunity for ISIS to expand their operations from inside Iraq.

Per, Per, Per... "Russian Apartment Bombings was an Inside Job"... and now this.

Here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bjornlombor ... 6936de6a1e

First, blaming global warming for Syria’s purported increase in desertification means that we ignore Syria’s history of bad water management and the fact that the number of people living there tripled in 35 years – both of which would put a lot more pressure on resources than relatively small changes in the climate.

Second, it also means that we sidestep the human factor, not the least being the cascading effects of American and British foreign policy or the Arab spring uprisings, religious and ethnic tensions and political repression.

Another recent scientific paper has looked at “The role of drought and climate change in the Syrian uprising: Untangling the triggers of the revolution.”

The central finding is:

"While climate change may have contributed to worsening the effects of the drought, overstating its importance is an unhelpful distraction that diverts attention away from the core problem: the long-term mismanagement of natural resources. Furthermore, an exaggerated focus on climate change shifts the burden of responsibility for the devastation of Syria’s natural resources away from the successive Syrian governments since the 1950s and allows the Assad regime to blame external factors for its own failures."

It concludes:

“The possible role of climate change in this chain of events is not only irrelevant; it is also an unhelpful distraction.”

C'mon Per!!

With that in mind, it is quite possible that an increased desertification will lead to an increase in unrest and armed conflicts around the world.

That's what I worry about.

From the same link:

Third, looking only at what happened means we ignore what didn’t happen. Since global warming will overall mean increased precipitation, the fact that some nations will experience more drought also means other nations won’t.

While almost all models show less water availability because of global warming in the Middle East, the extra number of water stressed people will be offset by almost exactly the same number fewer water stressed elsewhere (e.g. this recent article finds that larger populations will increase the number of water stressed globally by about 1.8 billion, but global warming will either increase or decrease that number by an order of magnitude less).

So while Syria will definitely become drier with global warming, Mauritania, Mali, Burkina Faso, Angola and parts of Brazil will become less water stressed. So if we worry about civil war being partly caused by global warming in Syria, we should also be thankful that global warming makes civil war less likely in these other countries.

Overall, there are many reasons to take climate change seriously. But alarmism is a terrible basis upon which to make informed policy choices. And trying to blame global warming for the recent horrors in Paris, or the ongoing carnage in Syria, simply takes us off track.

So try not to worry buds!

Having said that, how's that immigrant crisis going, you never talk about it.

I seem to recall warning you 5 years ago that Middle East problems would spill over into Europe...

[Strangelove]

Consider where the additional chemicals we put into the ecosystem actually go... Is it reasonable to insist this will have no effect upon climate?

Well "matter cannot be created nor destroyed" but moving right along...

Once upon a time scientists were warning that we were on the verge of an Ice Age.

Their theory put the blame squarely upon man-made particle emissions.

And so the tree-huggers of the 70s pushed-for and received their "filters on smokestacks".

True, the filters were probably promoted more for smog-reduction than averting the impending Ice Age BUT

... I find it funny that you tree-boinkers once said particle emissions cool the Earth

... and now apparently say particle emissions warm the Earth!

Alarmism, remember the 70s Damon, the more things change, the more they remain the same:



That pic is for effect but here's the Time article from the 70s with scientists predicting an impending Ice Age:

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/a ... 14,00.html

And here are some lists of many more Impending Ice Age articles:

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/0 ... rmism.html

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/201 ... age-scare/

Ahh you lefties and your alarmism amirite!

Griz, these topics are too serious to blow off with referring to them as some kind of conspiracy or scam. In the 60's a book called Silent Spring was written by Rachel Carson. It was the birth of the environmental movement.

You are an evil evil man Damon:

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2010 ... ng-legacy/

Who is the worst killer in the long, ugly history of war and extermination? Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Not even close. A single book called Silent Spring killed far more people than all those fiends put together.

Published in 1962, Silent Spring used manipulated data and wildly exaggerated claims (sound familiar?) to push for a worldwide ban on the pesticide known as DDT – which is, to this day, the most effective weapon against malarial mosquitoes.

The resulting explosion of mosquito-borne malaria in Africa has claimed over sixty million lives. This was not a gradual process – a surge of infection and death happened almost immediately. The use of DDT reduces the spread of mosquito-borne malaria by fifty to eighty percent, so its discontinuation quickly produced an explosion of crippling and fatal illness. The same environmental movement which has been falsifying data, suppressing dissent, and reading tea leaves to support the global-warming fraud has studiously ignored this blood-drenched “hockey stick” for decades.

The motivation behind Silent Spring, the suppression of nuclear power, the global-warming scam, and other outbreaks of environmentalist lunacy is the worship of centralized power and authority [totalitarian agenda]

Let's read a 60s book written by a lying murderous witch in order to understand what is happening today!

The oceans and lakes are dying of acidification. "Acid rain'? WTF?

Not sure if they're "dying" there Drama Quean, and acid rain has been around forever (caused by volcanic activity).

Naysayers are everywhere.

Personally I'm more of a fuckyousayer to all the deluded self-righteous totalitarian folk running amok.

It should not take a group of dead drowned Polar Bears washing up to convince us the ice is melting.

Ahh you lefties and your alarmism!

As to the idea all these climate shifts have happened before...sure they really have, but the time they occurred in was measured in centuries and millennia and not in years.

Wrong.

Global warming is true by the definition of global temperatures rising. They have. Fact.

Global temperatures will at some point begin to decline. Fact.

(and then environazis will warn that an Ice Age is coming) (Fact?)

The ocean is losing its ability to sustain coral and other important parts of its ecosystem. Fact.

Wrong.

The ozone hole is getting bigger. Fact.

Wrong. (see your bumbuddy's post above)

I may not be the world's foremost expert on the environment but I have learned to pay attention to those who are. The vast majority of them say climate change is a real threat so I take their word because first, they know what they are talking about

You're assuming... they ... "know what they are talking about".... which makes you a muppet.

Why don't you balance things out by listening to what astronomers are saying

... about an impending Maunder Minimum?

Oh right, your masters wouldn't let you do that, doesn't fit with their present agenda...

and second, they are not protecting great wealth as are groups like the fossil fuel industry who sponsor climate deniers.

Yup no way could your masters have have a twisted agenda right?

In any case, the effects are going to be so obvious that no one will be left to deny

OMG this guy is so pwned by his prophets of doom...

except those who think the earth is flat and the moon landing staged. You can find many arguments for these ideas that can be cut and pasted into this thread but that does make them right. All you have to do to disprove the flat theory is watch a ship appear over the horizon as it climbs the curve.

LOFL... this guy has given the Flat Earth theory some serious serious thought!

(Earth to Damon: Flat Earth theory is a well-orchestrated JOKE... omg wtf)

[Strangelove]

Anyway, most scientists see a link between the industrial revolution, the use of fossil fuels and the current warming of the earth, but it's only like 99% of them, so there is still some dissent from those who think it could all be part of a natural cycle.

Anyway, A hoax? So you think some 99% of scientists and at least 90% of governments around the earth, whether left wing or right wing, have all some how ganged up to conspire to somehow screw the US?

The fact that there is consensus doesn't make anything true. However, when you look deeper you find that there is only a 0.3% consensus among scientists that humans are responsible for at least 50% of global warming.

Stefan Molyneux : The 97% Consensus? Global Warming Unmasked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU

Stefan Molyneux : Climate Change in 12 Minutes - The Skeptic's Case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc

Professor Bob Carter : The Faux "97% Consensus"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NinRn5faU4

And yeah, I've always said "scientific consensus" is an oxymoron.

[Topper]

The oceans and lakes are dying of acidification. "Acid rain'? WTF?

Not sure if they're "dying" there Drama Quean, and acid rain has been around forever (caused by volcanic activity).

One of the coolest rocks I have in my collection, I picked up while managing a project on a local hillside in a grassland pine forest. Under the forest duff outcrops a massive sulphide vein, primarily pyrrhotite with minor chalcopyrite, sphalerite, arsenopyrite and galena.

Interestingly the pine needle duff atop this vein has been crusted with iron oxides, then the pine needles have rotted away leaving FeOx moulds of the needle mass. You know a thing or two about needle masses don't you Damon?

The natural weathering of the sulphide minerals produces sulphuric acid and FeOx. The acid, you know a thing or two about acid don't you Damon, acidifies the soil allowing the pines to flourish.

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

[Strangelove]

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

Well played sir!

[ukcanuck]

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

Well played sir!

I enjoyed the drug needling too but neither you nor Topper have addressed the speed at which the climate has been warming this time around, the last one according to archeology occurred around a thousand years ago called the little optimum or medieval warm period, which allowed vikings to settle Greenland and for wild grapes to grow in Newfoundland (this I think is what alarms scientists)

Nor have either of you addressed the economic concerns of a warming climate. What still needs addressing is that we (the global community) need to be taking steps to limit our carbon footprint in order to avoid as much disruption to the global economy as possible.

The cunnynundrum being, how do we continue a consumer driven economy and stop burning fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate?

IF there is a hoax it lies in this direction not in spouting scientific facts/non-facts


looky here, a lefty more concerned about the economy than the connies?

[ukcanuck]

BTW, this thread is the most proof ever that spider is in fact dead...

[damonberryman]

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

Well played sir!

I enjoyed the drug needling too but neither you nor Topper have addressed the speed at which the climate has been warming this time around, the last one according to archeology occurred around a thousand years ago called the little optimum or medieval warm period, which allowed vikings to settle Greenland and for wild grapes to grow in Newfoundland (this I think is what alarms scientists)

Nor have either of you addressed the economic concerns of a warming climate. What still needs addressing is that we (the global community) need to be taking steps to limit our carbon footprint in order to avoid as much disruption to the global economy as possible.

The cunnynundrum being, how do we continue a consumer driven economy and stop burning fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate?

IF there is a hoax it lies in this direction not in spouting scientific facts/non-facts


looky here, a lefty more concerned about the economy than the connies?

[Topper]

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

Well played sir!

I enjoyed the drug needling too but neither you nor Topper have addressed the speed at which the climate has been warming this time around, the last one according to archeology occurred around a thousand years ago called the little optimum or medieval warm period, which allowed vikings to settle Greenland and for wild grapes to grow in Newfoundland (this I think is what alarms scientists)

Nor have either of you addressed the economic concerns of a warming climate. What still needs addressing is that we (the global community) need to be taking steps to limit our carbon footprint in order to avoid as much disruption to the global economy as possible.

The cunnynundrum being, how do we continue a consumer driven economy and stop burning fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate?

IF there is a hoax it lies in this direction not in spouting scientific facts/non-facts


looky here, a lefty more concerned about the economy than the connies?

I agree, UK's post is quite laughable. It is obvious his reading skills have been polluted and diluted.

[ukcanuck]

Laughable or not you side stepped the question

You do that a lot I notice

Should I infer you don't have all the answers ?

[Mickey107]

You know that rain water is slightly acidic, weathers calcarious rocks and carries that to the ocean for corals to use as building blocks.

Well played sir!

I enjoyed the drug needling too but neither you nor Topper have addressed the speed at which the climate has been warming this time around, the last one according to archeology occurred around a thousand years ago called the little optimum or medieval warm period, which allowed vikings to settle Greenland and for wild grapes to grow in Newfoundland (this I think is what alarms scientists)

Nor have either of you addressed the economic concerns of a warming climate. What still needs addressing is that we (the global community) need to be taking steps to limit our carbon footprint in order to avoid as much disruption to the global economy as possible.

The cunnynundrum being, how do we continue a consumer driven economy and stop burning fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate?

IF there is a hoax it lies in this direction not in spouting scientific facts/non-facts


looky here, a lefty more concerned about the economy than the connies?

What is "The Global Community" ?
I know it's not the UN. LOL
Other than Canada & the U.S., I think about some of the other governments and regimes and dictat/ sorry, scratch that one, and I don't know if I'm quite ready to be a member yet.
And there's just something about those first 7 letters of that word that sickens me a bit...

[Topper]

Erik Karlsson lead the league in TOI last season with 2375 minutes. Please comment on his season, career to date and projected career having only data from the last 6 seconds of that season.

Oh, and you have only seen the final 0.000015 minutes of that season.

[Per]

Having said that, how's that immigrant crisis going, you never talk about it.

Wow! As if we weren't far enough off topic...!

Not much to say. Record number of refugees last year, more than 100,000, iirc, but the number arriving has dropped significantly, and our immigration authority has halved the estimate of how many will arrive this year.

With this sudden influx of so many, it has been a problem finding housing for all, and of course processing their applications takes much longer than usual.

Other than that... Too early to say anything of the long term effect. The essential question is how fast they can be put to work. Before they start working, they are a cost for society, even though their arrival has created a lot of jobs, thus lowering unemployment, increasing tax revenue and raising the GDP. The net effect of non-workingimmigrants is still negative. But once they start working, they become net contributors to society.

The break even point seems to be 60% employed. If more than 60% of immigrants are working, their net contribution to Sweden's finances is positive. If less than that are working, the net effect is negative.

Last year that figure stood at 58%, so a slight cost, but near the break even level. With all the new arrivals still being stuck in limbo while all the paper work is getting sorted, I guess the figure could drop to closer to 50%, which means they will be a net cost for society for the next few years.

You may think that 60% sounds low, but remember that a population includes retired people, children, students, house wives, etc, so it's not like every one is working and paying taxes.

The problem is that over the last couple of decades, we have a very poor record of getting people to work fast. There's too much red tape. On average it takes seven years before a physician who arrives as a refugee is cleared to work in his/her profession. That's madness! If we can cut the red tape and get people to work asap the influx could be a huge boost for Sweden's economy. If we are going to let them sit around waiting for years to get work permits, it will be a huge economic burden for us, and an ubearable situation for them.

Sadly, the large number of immigrants arriving to Sweden has lead to that they are now checking the passports for all travellers coming across the bridge between Copenhagen and Malmö. This is a disaster! We have not needed passports when travelling within the Nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Iceland) since the 1950's! And since the bridge was built, the Copenhagen/Malmö area has become a single work market, with lots of Danes working on the Swedish side of The Öresund straight, and lots of Swedes on the Danish side. There are even lots of Danes who work in Copenhagen but have moved to Mamö, or elsewhere in Scania (Sweden's southernmost province), as houses are much cheaper there than in the over heated Copenhagen real estate market. It's only a 20 minute car ride from city to city, but the passport control causes line ups and adds an hour to the commute, each way. Imagine the frustration for every one who happens to live on one side and work on the other.

Hopefully this idiocy will end asap, as it is wrecking havoc with the Öresund area economy.

But this is really way way off topic. Let's talk about the candidates, shall we?

[Strangelove]

Erik Karlsson lead the league in TOI last season with 2375 minutes. Please comment on his season, career to date and projected career having only data from the last 6 seconds of that season.

Oh, and you have only seen 0.000015 minutes of that season.

Yup, UK is the type who puts his faith in computer models based on limited/dubious data

(as long as he likes the answer the computer spits out)

Reminds one of Rachel 'Lying Witch' Carson's computing in Silent Spring above.

Ahh lefties and their alarmism!

[Strangelove]

But this is really way way off topic. Let's talk about the candidates, shall we?

Okay!

(I was hoping you'd talk about the crime-rate/riots/wotnot in today's Sweden ... but hey that's okay!)