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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby ClamRussel » Wed May 14, 2014 6:43 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Shero let a lot of his tough guys go and never replaced them. Two of the best in the league and no support or protection. Hung onto MAF too long. Gave away their future basically every year to tool up for the playoffs. The team needs more than just Kesler and adding Kesler risks depleting what young assets they do have. I don't see that as a smart move for the team.

I think they are better served by a new GM, not a lame duck GM. A GM that can build support around Crosby and Malkin, shore up the net and get meaner up front. They have never been the same since they let the likes of Malone go.

If they can't trade MAF they are probably best served to keep him for the final year and build pieces up front. I don't know how they do that though as they have little to trade. Unless they trade Malkin and I think that's foolish.

Sort of Washington trying to win with OV and not much more.

Now, let's hope Montreal can oust Boston.


Sure they have, they won the Cup w/o Malone. That was so long ago btw, they had Bill Guerin on the team. If I was them I'd sell the farm to win now. How many years do Malkin & Crosby have in their prime? By the time Pouliot is ready to contribute imagine where their current core will be. Having a pair like they have up the middle does not happen very often. Agreed they need more toughness, big time!

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed May 14, 2014 6:59 pm

ClamRussel wrote:Sure they have, they won the Cup w/o Malone. That was so long ago btw, they had Bill Guerin on the team. If I was them I'd sell the farm to win now. How many years do Malkin & Crosby have in their prime? By the time Pouliot is ready to contribute imagine where their current core will be. Having a pair like they have up the middle does not happen very often. Agreed they need more toughness, big time!

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Need to also consider that they have Maatta (19), Niskanen (27), Letang (27), Bortuzzo (25) already on their back end. Players like Scott Harrington (21) and Brian Dummolin (22) in the pipe. They aren't exactly old. The guys they have that ARE old (Martin, Orpik, Scuderi) are the kind they can replace with UFA deals or phase out.

Trading a guy like Pouliot in a package for Ryan Kesler will not cripple their depth now, nor in 4-5 years, but it WILL give them that dynamic shut-down centre, who can ride Shotgun with Crosby, play the PK, or anchor a depth line. There's a lot of options for them. I would not be shocked to see Kesler wind up with 40 goals again if he had Crosby passing to him on PP's and the odd 5-on-5 shift.

Now that Boston is done, maybe they want in on the RK sweepstakes. Him and Bergeron would be an epic shutdown combo ;)
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Betamax » Wed May 14, 2014 7:50 pm

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ClamRussel wrote:Sure they have, they won the Cup w/o Malone. That was so long ago btw, they had Bill Guerin on the team. If I was them I'd sell the farm to win now. How many years do Malkin & Crosby have in their prime? By the time Pouliot is ready to contribute imagine where their current core will be. Having a pair like they have up the middle does not happen very often. Agreed they need more toughness, big time!

Go Habs!!!


Need to also consider that they have Maatta (19), Niskanen (27), Letang (27), Bortuzzo (25) already on their back end. Players like Scott Harrington (21) and Brian Dummolin (22) in the pipe. They aren't exactly old. The guys they have that ARE old (Martin, Orpik, Scuderi) are the kind they can replace with UFA deals or phase out.

Trading a guy like Pouliot in a package for Ryan Kesler will not cripple their depth now, nor in 4-5 years, but it WILL give them that dynamic shut-down centre, who can ride Shotgun with Crosby, play the PK, or anchor a depth line. There's a lot of options for them. I would not be shocked to see Kesler wind up with 40 goals again if he had Crosby passing to him on PP's and the odd 5-on-5 shift.


The key is Letang. If they can reasonably project he'll be fit to play over the next several seasons, Pouliot is a redundant asset for the next several years.

Now that Boston is done, maybe they want in on the RK sweepstakes. Him and Bergeron would be an epic shutdown combo ;)


I think the possibilities of deals between the clubs become more likely if Benning is hired. I just hope the Canucks' don't try to do a lateral core move i.e. an Alex Edler for Louie Eriksson swap.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 15, 2014 10:05 pm

Well Boyle is on the market.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri May 16, 2014 12:19 am

For the right price, and assuming we can move say an Edler type for a decent return, Boyle for 1-2 years to run the PP might be nice. I wouldn't want to blow a ton of cap nor term but as a short term remedy for the PP it would be intriguing. But I see him in the same light as Campbell, good offensive potential but old!

Of course if we are rebuilding.....
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Fri May 16, 2014 6:41 am

I'd take Boyle as a stopgap here if we ship out defensemen in retooling type moves but I doubt he signs here if that's the direction the team is heading in.

If the team is not heading in that direction and thinks it can contend, they'd have to get him to agree to some pretty advantageous terms to make it worthwhile given he's not the player he used to be. He's over 35 so no multi-year deal either.

Who knows, maybe he wants to stay on the west coast now and can't get a deal from SJ, LA or Anaheim. If he'd take a one year deal where the bulk of his compensation is through bonuses I could see quite a few times making a pitch.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Fri May 16, 2014 7:04 am

Apparently both Shero and Bylsma are out in Pittsburgh.

Makes sense. If the franchise needs a shake-up you're better off firing the GM than trading one of your superstar players near the peak of their careers..
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 16, 2014 7:55 am

dbr wrote:Who knows, maybe he wants to stay on the west coast now and can't get a deal from SJ, LA or Anaheim. If he'd take a one year deal where the bulk of his compensation is through bonuses I could see quite a few times making a pitch.


SJ will not be resigning him for any price. Wilson has already declared hi spot is being taken by Burns who is moving back to D. They'll be in the market for a winger.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Fri May 16, 2014 9:14 am

dbr wrote:Apparently both Shero and Bylsma are out in Pittsburgh.

Makes sense. If the franchise needs a shake-up you're better off firing the GM than trading one of your superstar players near the peak of their careers..


Apparently, for now, it's just Shero being fired. Bylsma is still with the team.

Weird...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby givemeda411 » Fri May 16, 2014 10:24 am

Hockey Widow wrote:For the right price, and assuming we can move say an Edler type for a decent return, Boyle for 1-2 years to run the PP might be nice. I wouldn't want to blow a ton of cap nor term but as a short term remedy for the PP it would be intriguing. But I see him in the same light as Campbell, good offensive potential but old!

Of course if we are rebuilding.....



Something around $3M would be nice for 1yr, but I'd rather see what Corrado can do. Something tells me Corrado and Edler on the point will work out well.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Betamax » Fri May 16, 2014 2:02 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
dbr wrote:Apparently both Shero and Bylsma are out in Pittsburgh.

Makes sense. If the franchise needs a shake-up you're better off firing the GM than trading one of your superstar players near the peak of their careers..


Apparently, for now, it's just Shero being fired. Bylsma is still with the team.

Weird...


Could be similar to what we had in Vancouver. Michael D. Gillis was shown the door weeks before Fonzie got the boot.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

givemeda411 wrote:Something around $3M would be nice for 1yr, but I'd rather see what Corrado can do. Something tells me Corrado and Edler on the point will work out well.


Yeah, Boyle's probably looking for a one-year deal for three mil.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Fri May 16, 2014 2:18 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
givemeda411 wrote:Something around $3M would be nice for 1yr, but I'd rather see what Corrado can do. Something tells me Corrado and Edler on the point will work out well.


Yeah, Boyle's probably looking for a one-year deal for three mil.


Good call good buddy, Boyle would get twice that on a 1-year.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Betamax » Fri May 16, 2014 2:51 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:
givemeda411 wrote:Something around $3M would be nice for 1yr, but I'd rather see what Corrado can do. Something tells me Corrado and Edler on the point will work out well.


Yeah, Boyle's probably looking for a one-year deal for three mil.


Good call good buddy, Boyle would get twice that on a 1-year.


Yeah, it could be an Iggy type deal with a three mil-ish type base and easy to obtain bonuses to double that.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Fri May 16, 2014 6:54 pm

Betamax wrote:Yeah, it could be an Iggy type deal with a three mil-ish type base and easy to obtain bonuses to double that.


Boyle at $6M would be fucking insane. He's a shell of his former self. Undersized, declining skills and pushing 40. Yikes.

I'd also steer clear of those bonus-money contracts as much as possible. Boston is gonna be stung with a $4.5M cap penalty next season thanks in part to Iginla's deal. Say goodbye to the Savard LTIR...
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