dbr wrote:In seriousness what I should have clarified with (and trust me, it seems obvious when you are the one who wrote it and already knows what you're saying) is that buying Burrows out and then trying to get a player like Burrows for the same cost makes no sense; doing so because you're trying to change the personality of the team is at least a cogent idea, even if I don't find it a particularly convincing one.
Thanks for admitting you've been anything but
And hey, lets face it, it was a crazy idea!
Soooo do you have any idea at all why you shared it with us?
But I mean if you think Alex Burrows is every bit the player that Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler are, and Daniel is supposed to be
, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Well I never said that, so no need to agree-to-disagree on this one Dave.
But then Alex Burrows has a cap hit that is a mere 64% of what the Sedins make
(and everyone knows Kesler is ridiculously underpaid).
But what does this have to do with YOU comparing Burrows' contract to that of our one true buyout candidate?
Mmm don't ever lump Burrows in with the likes of our one true buyout candidate again... okay Dave?
dbr wrote:If Burrows is here and bounces back I'll be happy
So you admit you love the Burrows contract as long as Burrows remains a quality top-sixer?
dbr wrote:This is the team's one chance to get out from under a bad contract, scot free, and if they are committed to spending money over and above the cap ceiling to improve the on ice product I'll be happy with that. If they want to maximize the impact they will consider using it on a contract with more remaining term than David Booth's. Burrows has had an awful year and might be a candidate to some.
Just to be clear, these folks to whom you are referring... these "some"... are not-too-bright, right Dave?
Well at least not bright enough to grasp the concept of a season derailed by injuries.
I wonder if these "some" are having second thoughts after Burrows' play of late.
dbr wrote:Dredge up this thread in about ten months, and I might be ready to admit that buying out Burrows might have been a mistake if it doesn't happen and he is the Burr of old out there.
Okay, if you say so Dave.
By the way Dave, have you noticed Burrows has 5 goals and 4 assists in his last 6 games?
dbr wrote:This upcoming season Alex will be 33, this year there were 15 forwards in meaningful roles (10 minutes a game or more) who were 33 on 10/1/2013.
Pretty much EXACTLY the number of 23
year old forwards who have done the same this season!
Funny how that works eh Dave?
Every season on October 1, there are forwards anywhere from age 18 to age 43.
We don't take them out and shoot them when they turn 33.
dbr wrote:Another little thought experiment.. let's take a look at guys playing their 32 year old season (like Alex did this year) awhile back and find out where they were in their 35 year old season. I want to eliminate wacky shortened seasons and artificially low cap ceilings so I'm going to pick 32 year olds as of 10/1/2008 and see how they were contributing in 2011/12.
Now I swear I picked these arbitrarily, here they are (guys who played in 2011-12 in bold):
Eric Perrin, Richard Zednik, Radek Bonk, Mathieu Dandeneault, Milan Hejduk, Ryan Smyth, Chris Clark, Patrik Elias, Jeff Halpern, Steve Reinprecht, Richard Park, Wayne Primeau, Ryan Johnson, Chris Drury, Daymond Langkow
It's a hell of an attrition rate. Maybe Burrows will be an exception like Patrik Elias or Milan Hejduk or Langkow, because he sure as hell won't be dirt cheap like Halpern and Park were. Then again, perhaps he will just be our Ryan Smyth.
In their 35-year-old seasons…
Smyth/Elias/Hejduk were putting up career average numbers and playing 19+ minutes per night
(well Hejduk’s numbers + icetime finally dropped halfway through his 35-year-old season).
Halpern’s numbers were virtually identical in the 2 seasons you are comparing
(really though, he was never the same player after blowing his knee out in 2008).
Perrin is a nobody who had played just 2 NHL seasons by age 32.
Zednick was never the same after Jokinen sliced him open in 2008, shortening his career.
Bonk decided to return to Europe after that season (he’s still playing).
Dandenault was a fringer (203 points in 868 games).
Chris Clark’s career was derailed by injuries.
Ditto Reinprecht after major shoulder surgery when he was just 27.
Richard Park, what is this, some kind of a joke!
Ryan Johnson, it IS a joke!!
Wayne Primeau, the most goals he ever had in an NHL season was 9.
Chris Drury, okay no one knows what the fuck happened to Drury.
Noticed you never mentioned guys like Shane Doan, Petr Sykora, and Matt Cullen...
But then you DID mention Patrik Elias, Milan Hejduk, Daymond Langkow.
It seems to me that the SMART forwards and the ones who have put up great numbers for many years
.... are the ones who tend to play at a high level into their mid 30s.
Forwards like Alexandre Burrows!
I've mentioned a few times that Burrows only gets $3m real dollars in his 35-year-old-season.
IF for some reason we had to unload him, that would be the best time
(trade him and his $4.5m cap-hit to a salary-floor team in a $64m cap-floor/$80m cap-max world).
But I feel comfortable in saying Mr Burrows will always earn his keep.
Y’know Dave, I'm not sure you fully grasp the concept of an Appreciation Thread