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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby herb » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:38 am

Arachnid wrote:Reminder: This here is a for profit corporate business professional ice hockey team.

It is not, repeat, not yours. It's sole purpose is to MAKE MONEY.


As the guy who started this thread about a for profit corporate business professional ice hockey team, I'm not sure what you're going on here about, but thank you VERY MUCH for the useful refresher on the profit motive.

Arachnid wrote:I mean, can the Sabres & Oilers be THAT bad again?


Yes.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby Arachnid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:35 am

herb wrote:
Arachnid wrote:Reminder: This here is a for profit corporate business professional ice hockey team.

It is not, repeat, not yours. It's sole purpose is to MAKE MONEY.


As the guy who started this thread about a for profit corporate business professional ice hockey team, I'm not sure what you're going on here about, but thank you VERY MUCH for the useful refresher on the profit motive.

Arachnid wrote:I mean, can the Sabres & Oilers be THAT bad again?


Yes.


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Odds are the Oilers will have a better year next year, the Sabres not so much, they are a small market team and need Connor to save them. I am sure ownership is completely behind The Tank™ there.

It would not take much for us to be the bottom top 3 next year

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby herb » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:18 am

Arachnid wrote:...and pray for your soul to implode.... :wow:


Aaaaaalrighty then.... :roll:
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby Arachnid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:27 pm

herb wrote:
Arachnid wrote:...and pray for your soul to implode.... :wow:


Aaaaaalrighty then.... :roll:


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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby SKYO » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 pm

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SKYO wrote:ok what drafting spot do we hope to get?


We've got an outside shot at #6,
Car, Nash, and Ott have games in hand. If they all pass, could be 6, and also a slightly improved chance in the lottery for #1.

I realize they did not tank intentionally tonight, but man if anyone wanted to make that accusation, you could. Amazing meltdown. That was mid-1980s era levels of incompetence, but at least back then we didn't have any expectations of success and just waited for Gretzky and co to ragdoll us and call it a season.


So Sam Bennett, Virtanen, Ritchie territory eh?
not too shabby!
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby Diehard1 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:02 pm

Can't see Bennett available at 6. Virtanen probably, Ehlers maybe. I'd be happy with any of Reinhart, Bennett, DalColle, Draisaitl or Ehlers. Would also like Ritchie or Virtanen. Lots of good forwards at the top of this draft, but very few D and it drops off after the 8 or 9 pick.

With the way this team is playing they should be in contention for a top 10 and maybe as high as 6.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby SKYO » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:31 pm

Diehard1 wrote:Can't see Bennett available at 6. Virtanen probably, Ehlers maybe. I'd be happy with any of Reinhart, Bennett, DalColle, Draisaitl or Ehlers. Would also like Ritchie or Virtanen. Lots of good forwards at the top of this draft, but very few D and it drops off after the 8 or 9 pick.

With the way this team is playing they should be in contention for a top 10 and maybe as high as 6.

Yup Bennett going in top 3.

This mock draft has us at 9th picking DeAngelo. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=704724

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Be nice to draft a sleeper top dman like Fleury or Honka seeing as we all of a sudden got a some forward prospect depth.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby mathonwy » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:22 pm

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:52 am

SKYO wrote:Be nice to draft a sleeper top dman like Fleury or Honka seeing as we all of a sudden got a some forward prospect depth.


I know you're on HFBoards so you've probably seen people bandy about the difficulty of scouting for high end ability (that is likely to actually pan out) among defenders, which is a big part of why there is such a stark difference in the draft positions of the players at each position who end up turning into top players..

Draft position of the top 10 vote getters for the Norris Trophy this past season: 43, 7, 62, 75, 56, 54, 6, 49, 2, 29. Draft position of the top 10 (forward) vote getters for the Hart, same season: 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 19, 1, NA, 171, 3.

Or look at our own team, compare the top six defensemen (12, NA, 151, NA, NA, 91) with our top six forwards (2, 3, 23, 14, 178, 13).

We've already got Corrado and Hutton looking pretty promising (both fifth round picks I might add) and we've been pretty good and pulling defensemen from free agency (half our top six) so I really don't agree that there's a strong need to take a blueliner ten spots above where they're ranked.

Unless there's a situation like Cam Fowler in 2010 where you've got a bona fide top five talent freefalling in the draft, I'd much rather continue to build the forward group (and really in this draft and given where we'll likely pick that'd be Ekblad). This draft seems like a good opportunity to add either a sizeable winger with pretty good scoring ability, or a top end talent like Nylander or Ehlers.. given the way the 4-15ish rankings seem to bounce around I hope there is a good shot that the Canucks can nab a real talented player who drops.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby herb » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:55 am

Unless Shea Weber Jr or Zdeno Chara Jr are available, I wouldn't worry about drafting a defenceman. Edler and Garrison are by no means getting old. Tanev and Stanton are future top four guys. Hutton and Corrado are promising prospects, and Andersson has been getting good reviews as well as a big stay at home guy.

What we need to worry about is replacing Hank. We can potentially replace Kesler, Burrows and even Daniel with our current prospect depth, but the issue is going to be that #1C. I don't think anybody thinks Horvat, Gaunce or Fox are future PPG, #1 centers in the NHL. That needs to be management's focus.

Somehow trading up to get Bennett or Reinhart would be amazing. Maybe there's a scenario where we take what we get in the Kesler trade and flip it for the #1 spot.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby SKYO » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:05 am

Yup and nobody on nux hf likes my drafting a dman ideal haha.

Getting sold on Ehlers though, game breaking potential, plus Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini.
Maybe in a Kesler deal we can get a 1st rounder as well, so we can get that forward and a dman!

Fleury should be a rock steady top 4 dman in the future.

Haydn's an excellent skater who uses it to his advantage very well. He's a smart defender who will transition the puck but is a real steady force on the blue line who steps up when it matters.

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6'3 198lbs Fleury is a rangy, mobile defenseman who has brought a valuable batch of offensive skills to the backend in Red Deer. In his rookie season, he collected 19 points in 66 games, numbers that he has already surpassed this year. Through 43 games, Fleury has tallied six times and added 24 assists in an expanded role with the Rebels. His +13 rating is tops on the team so far this season.

According to NHL Central Scouting, Fleury plays a solid two-way game and is an excellent skater who uses his speed to be effective at both ends of the rink. He is among the best defensemen in the current class at utilizing his skating and puck movement skills to create odd-man opportunities.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:08 pm

herb wrote:What we need to worry about is replacing Hank. We can potentially replace Kesler, Burrows and even Daniel with our current prospect depth, but the issue is going to be that #1C. I don't think anybody thinks Horvat, Gaunce or Fox are future PPG, #1 centers in the NHL. That needs to be management's focus.

Can we end the Hank PPG myth.

3 of 13 seasons he's been PPG. Two more at a point under so we'll give him those too. That's 5 of 13 or a bit better than 38% of his career.

Career wise, he's a bit better than 0.8 PPG. Playoff numbers are eerily similar.

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby herb » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:14 pm

Topper wrote:Can we end the Hank PPG myth.


Sure! Downgrading him to a 0.8PPG player would make him easier to replace. I'm not sure your assertion that this is a myth has any basis in fact, however.

Hank has been better than a point a game player since 2005-06. Over that span he has played 684 games and scored 689 points. That's over 9 seasons.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:29 pm

herb wrote:
Topper wrote:Can we end the Hank PPG myth.


Sure! Downgrading him to a 0.8PPG player would make him easier to replace. I'm not sure your assertion that this is a myth has any basis in fact, however.

Hank has been better than a point a game player since 2005-06. Over that span he has played 684 games and scored 689 points. That's over 9 seasons.

Not season by season.

You are spreading the 112 and 94 (only one other season was ppg at 82 in 82) point seasons to cover a bunch of lessor years. Using your 05-06 cut-off, he has only had 3 PPG seasons.
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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side Minions: The Top Draft Prospect

Postby herb » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:52 pm

Topper wrote:Not season by season.

You are spreading the 112 and 94 (only one other season was ppg at 82 in 82) point seasons to cover a bunch of lessor years. Using your 05-06 cut-off, he has only had 3 PPG seasons.


I'm also spreading out his shitty 43 point total from this year. Take out the 112 and 94 point seasons and he scored 440 points in 458 games.

He had 81 points in a season - twice. Once in 2006-07 and again in 2011-12. That rounds up to being a point a game in my books (it is only one hundredth of a percentage off, after all).

He had 75 and 76 points in 2005-06 and 2007-08. He had 45 points in 48 games last year.

IMO he was a point a game player for quite some time.
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