mathonwy wrote:Meds wrote:While I am extremely disappointed that there wasn't more done here, I am giving MG a pass on deadline day moves. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to making a trade.....barring an out of the park fleecing, but it's not likely to happen as Garth Snow didn't have much to offer us right now, even IF one of our players would waive to go to the Islanders.
We just saw what he got for a top 10 goaltender. A project and a 3rd line center.
If he had given up Kesler for Pittsburgh's offer, the one without Maata, would anyone here be happy with that move? I wouldn't have. Even if he gets 2 first round picks out of the Penguins it wouldn't be enough because they are likely to be picks that fall between 24-30 overall.
If nobody is offering anything worthwhile, then why force a deal just for the sake of making a deal? That's stupid.
Luongo's deal was somewhat forced, but that was by the situation, not just because Gillis felt the need to shake things up.
The thing is Meds, all of the media pundits were in agreement that Kesler's trade value would never be as high as it would be this trade deadline.
And you have two traditional hockey rivals reported to be in on Kesler.
With so much leverage, for whatever reason, GMMG still wasn't able to get a deal done.
Comparing the returns for Luo versus the potential returns for Kesler is an unrealistic comparison due to Luo's contract.
The bottom line is GMMG couldn't make the deal happen and the Canucks leverage has decreased because of it.
Exactly. Kesler's value is apparently incredible.....according to all the pundits.
But Detroit, even with Datsyuk and Zetterberg out of the lineup, were unwilling to give up a player, a prospect, and a 1st rounder. They said the asking price was too high.....at least according to TSN Twitter.
Holmgren has confirmed he made no offer for Kesler.
The Penguins were interested and made an offer, but it wasn't one that any of us thought was good enough.
What if I'm trying to sell my car. Everyone, friends, experts, passersby, all of them tell me it is worth $20K. And I know I need to make at least $18K on this if I'm going to let this go and get something else. You come along and think it is only worth $15K. And you say you really really want it. And I say that I really want to sell it. But you won't give me more than $15K. We haggle, you are willing to come up to $16K and no further. You won't budge. You really really want my car. And I wanna sell it to you. But you won't pay what everyone says it is worth. You won't even get within range. So I say I'm sorry, I want to make this happen but I just can't if you won't at least get closer to the actual value. I can't put a gun to your head (legally), same goes for you. We part ways.
Now, did I fail to make it happen? Or did you fail to acquire it? Who didn't get it done?
It doesn't matter what everyone comes away saying, there was no deal to be made because you wouldn't pay the asking price, even though I was willing to lower it. You still refuse, in that scenario you were the one who stalled the deal.
Same goes for Gillis. He didn't stall the deal, nobody was willing to pay the price.....and from everything the pundits have said, Kesler was the hottest commodity on the market. And nobody was paying.
We don't know about the other deals that may or may not have been in play for other players. But same scenario applies.....what if you actually are willing to pay the price for my car and now my car won't start for you. It evolves a mind of its own and says it won't start for you if I sell it to you and then gives me a list of names I can sell it to. But none of them will even entertain my price.
Done and done.
Where Gillis failed was when he didn't trade Edler prior to July 1st of 2013. Edler's value was high, he had no NTC and probably.....but again, in the cap crunch market we were entering I think it was unattainable.
There will be movement this draft day for sure, and there will be more movement in the off-season as the cap is going up.