Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:45 am

Topper wrote:I think most folks have the wrong idea of big ice hockey. Yes you need to be able to skate, but it is not wide open fast skilled hockey. Trap hockey rules.

Asked what he felt of the game after winning the World Championship last year, Daniel replied 'it was boring hockey".


Agree with part of that Top, but watching the WJ and you can see that skating is a big part of it.

As well as PK and role players.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Lancer » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:37 pm

Topper wrote:I think most folks have the wrong idea of big ice hockey. Yes you need to be able to skate, but it is not wide open fast skilled hockey. Trap hockey rules.

Asked what he felt of the game after winning the World Championship last year, Daniel replied 'it was boring hockey".


After seeing the Slovaks trap up the neutral zone and clog up the middle of their own zone in the CAN-SLO game, I've come to realize that the bigger ice doesn't deteriorate the effectiveness of the trap; it just slows the game down. Give me NA ice surfaces any day.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Per » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:30 pm

Getting ready for Sochi......





:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Per » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:40 am

The American official roster:

Goalies:
Jimmy Howard, Detroit Red Wings
Ryan Miller, Buffalo Sabres
Jonathan Quick, Los Angeles Kings.
Defence:
John Carlson, Washington Capitals
Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes
Cam Fowler, Anaheim Ducks
Paul Martin, Pittsburgh Penguins
Ryan McDonagh, New York Rangers
Brooks Orpik, Pittsburgh Penguins
Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues
Ryan Suter, Minnesota Wild.
Forwards:
David Backes, St. Louis Blues
Dustin Brown, Los Angeles Kings
Ryan Callahan, New York Rangers
Patrick Kane, Chicago Blackhawks
Ryan Kesler, Vancouver Canucks
Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs
T.J. Oshie, St. Louis Blues
Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens
Zach Parise, Minnesota Wild
Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks
Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche
Derek Stepan, New York Rangers
Blake Wheeler, Winnipeg Jets
James van Riemsdyk, Toronto Maple Leafs

Looks pretty decent. Surprising that Bobby Ryan didn't make the cut though.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:53 am

Per wrote:The American official roster:

Goalies:
Jimmy Howard, Detroit Red Wings
Ryan Miller, Buffalo Sabres
Jonathan Quick, Los Angeles Kings.
Defence:
John Carlson, Washington Capitals
Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes
Cam Fowler, Anaheim Ducks
Paul Martin, Pittsburgh Penguins
Ryan McDonagh, New York Rangers
Brooks Orpik, Pittsburgh Penguins
Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues
Ryan Suter, Minnesota Wild.
Forwards:
David Backes, St. Louis Blues
Dustin Brown, Los Angeles Kings
Ryan Callahan, New York Rangers
Patrick Kane, Chicago Blackhawks
Ryan Kesler, Vancouver Canucks
Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs
T.J. Oshie, St. Louis Blues
Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens
Zach Parise, Minnesota Wild
Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks
Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche
Derek Stepan, New York Rangers
Blake Wheeler, Winnipeg Jets
James van Riemsdyk, Toronto Maple Leafs

Looks pretty decent. Surprising that Bobby Ryan didn't make the cut though.


A little bit surprised about these picks. Martin's been out with a broken leg since November and won't be back til later this month. Orpik just got back from having his brain rattled by Thornton. Thought Keith Yandle (3rd in US d-man scoring this year) would be there.

I get Wheeler is having a good season, but Bobby Ryan is having a better one (5th of US forwards). Very much a lunch-bucket team, so I think they could have used Ryan's natural scoring ability.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Meds » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:05 am

Per wrote:The American official roster:

Goalies:
Jimmy Howard, Detroit Red Wings
Ryan Miller, Buffalo Sabres
Jonathan Quick, Los Angeles Kings.
Defence:
John Carlson, Washington Capitals
Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes
Cam Fowler, Anaheim Ducks
Paul Martin, Pittsburgh Penguins
Ryan McDonagh, New York Rangers
Brooks Orpik, Pittsburgh Penguins
Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues
Ryan Suter, Minnesota Wild.
Forwards:
David Backes, St. Louis Blues
Dustin Brown, Los Angeles Kings
Ryan Callahan, New York Rangers
Patrick Kane, Chicago Blackhawks
Ryan Kesler, Vancouver Canucks
Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs
T.J. Oshie, St. Louis Blues
Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens
Zach Parise, Minnesota Wild
Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks
Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche
Derek Stepan, New York Rangers
Blake Wheeler, Winnipeg Jets
James van Riemsdyk, Toronto Maple Leafs

Looks pretty decent. Surprising that Bobby Ryan didn't make the cut though.


I don't expect the Americans to make much noise this year if Quick isn't back and healthy. Backes, Brown, JVR, Callahan, and Pacioretty, will likely be in penalty trouble a lot, either for being too aggressive or not being quick enough on their feet on the big ice. The defense isn't exactly intimidating anyone.

Howard over Schneider is almost hilarious, so is Miller really.

Compared to 2010 this is a bit more of a lunch bucket team and will have to play as such, unfortunately international hockey seems to prefer speed and skill, particularly on international ice.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Topper » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:42 am

Interesting read from Scott Burnside, though too long for some of the posters here.

It explains many of the questions being asked by the talking heads looking at the lineup.

Ryan - poor attitude and one dimensional
Yandle - one dimensional
Kesler - prior to the season, on the fringe due to injuries
Schneider - sharing time in NJ he didn't have the body of work to make a decision on.

Also some interesting takes on how verious GM's see the game through the players they like and why. Burke values well rounded mediocrity.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby BurningBeard » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:51 am

Topper wrote:Ryan - poor attitude and one dimensional
Yandle - one dimensional

Kessel's on the team. :lol:
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Topper » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:48 am

BurningBeard wrote:
Topper wrote:Ryan - poor attitude and one dimensional
Yandle - one dimensional

Kessel's on the team. :lol:

I was thinking that while reading the Burnside article. Especially as Burnside quote's Burke's bad mouthing of Ryan and saying he wanted to draft Jack Johnson but his scouts wanted Bobby Ryan and he relented to his scouts, adding he still regrets the decision.

Apparently Burke has been trying to call Bobby Ryan since the story broke. Maybe Bobby is consulting his lawyer.
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:14 pm

Oppsie, re-posting this from the main board...

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-01-01/team-usa-olympic-roster-bobby-ryan-twitter

Brian Burke on Bobby Ryan:

“He’s a passive guy”

“He is not intense. That word is not in his vocabulary,” Burke says. “It’s never going to be in his vocabulary. He can’t spell intense.”


http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/02/ottawa-senators-bobby-ryan-upset-with-burke-comments

Bobby Ryan might be disappointed he’s not going to Sochi.

He’s even more upset with comments on ESPN.com by Calgary president Brian Burke from the Team USA meetings that indicate the Senators winger isn’t going because he doesn’t have enough “intensity” in his game.

Reacting for the first time since being snubbed Wednesday, Ryan told a throng of reporters Thursday at the Canadian Tire Centre he didn’t like what Burke had to say in the comments that were revealed to a reporter who was given all access by USA Hockey.

At one point he referred to the comments as "gutless."


I hope Bobby Ryan has a good lawyer. :(

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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby BurningBeard » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:50 pm

Strangelove wrote:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-01-01/team-usa-olympic-roster-bobby-ryan-twitter

Brian Burke on Bobby Ryan:

“He’s a passive guy”

“He is not intense. That word is not in his vocabulary,” Burke says. “It’s never going to be in his vocabulary. He can’t spell intense.”

I hope Bobby Ryan has a good lawyer. :(

I hope he two hands Kessel across the face, phones up Burke, and asks him if it was intense enough. :lol:
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:03 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-01-01/team-usa-olympic-roster-bobby-ryan-twitter

Brian Burke on Bobby Ryan:

“He’s a passive guy”

“He is not intense. That word is not in his vocabulary,” Burke says. “It’s never going to be in his vocabulary. He can’t spell intense.”

I hope Bobby Ryan has a good lawyer. :(

I hope he two hands Kessel across the face, phones up Burke, and asks him if it was intense enough. :lol:


Be even better when he trades for him to play on the Phlems :D
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Topper » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:13 pm

Strangelove wrote:Oppsie, Topper once again trumped me and posted a link to the original article, though it is too long for me to read.

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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:11 pm

There's more of trumpeting than of trumping about you, whatever you are! :evil:
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Re: Sochi 2014: Who Makes the Cut?

Postby Meds » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:46 am

Topper wrote:Interesting read from Scott Burnside, though too long for some of the posters here.

Schneider - sharing time in NJ he didn't have the body of work to make a decision on.


Interesting note on Schneider when you consider that it was between him and Howard for the 3rd spot. Howard has been a very up and down goaltender and has played behind one of the leagues most successful teams in the last 20 years. A good chunk of the losses that Detroit has suffered can actually be laid at Howard's feet. Schneider hasn't had the opportunity to start, but he all but stole the starting job from one of the NHL's best, and has put up good numbers behind one of the most depleted teams in the NHL.

Topper wrote:Also some interesting takes on how verious GM's see the game through the players they like and why. Burke values well rounded mediocrity.


Reading Burke's reasoning and approach to this was somewhat surprising initially when his track record as a NHL GM is packed with bold moves and some big risks. Although, by the end of the article I began to consider that this team they are building is together for 14 days, they play 7 games, and it's an all or nothing gambit, and sometimes it is easier to formulate a plan of attack/defense by going with the "devil you know". With a team in the NHL you are building for longer term.
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