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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Per » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:58 pm

sagebrush wrote:Luongo's trade value is going up. The market, & his play say so.

Henrik Lundqvist just signed for seven years, until the age of 40, at a cap hit of 8.5M$.

And once again it's confirmed; I should have spent less time doing home work, more time playing hockey... :(
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ESQ » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:40 pm

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Island Nucklehead wrote:That's all folks are saying, Farhan. $4.5M for a PK specialist is too much money. The Canucks are simply not a playoff team if Burrows produces like a 3rd (or 4th, at this point) liner.


Fair enough.

I just think that given Burrows' history and past success here, he has earned the right to have a little slack thrown his way. He needs to pick it up obviously when he gets back, but lets not call for the guy's head if he comes back and gets off to a bit of a slow start.


A little slack is indeed deserved. Four straight 25+ goal seasons, a 22-goal pace last year, all while playing almost 0 Powerplay Time and kills penalties. From a career-average of 13% shooting percentage, which has been remarkably consistent over the last 5 seasons, he should have had around 6 goals in 17 games this year. Obviously he's shooting 0% this season, but from the games I've seen he's been robbed on many, many glorious opportunities and been the victim of bad luck more than anything else.

$4.5 million is fair market value for a 32-year-old 25-goal scorer who kills penalties. From what I've seen of him this year, I believe he is still a 25-goal scorer. It is devestating that he's not producing, and might end up being the difference between this team making the playoffs or not, but he doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus just yet.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:44 pm

sagebrush wrote:Luongo's trade value is going up. The market, & his play say so.

Henrik Lundqvist just signed for seven years, until the age of 40, at a cap hit of 8.5M$.


I think teams needed a full season or two to digest the new CBA, get there cap situation under control for this season's drop, and take a fresh evaluation of their teams. I'm sure there are a number of teams kicking themselves right now for not biting on Luongo. Florida, Philly, Washington, islanders, Edmonton, and even Toronto. Especially when they remember they could have had Luongo for next to nothing trade deadline.

When Luongo signed his deal most saw that in a few short years his cap for top 10 goalie would be a steal. And it is.

If Lack continues his development we may be ready to trade Luongo in a couple of years :mrgreen:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:42 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: even Toronto. Especially when they remember they could have had Luongo for next to nothing trade deadline.

I laugh at the TSN/SportsNet rumour mongers every time I read that.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Lancer » Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:54 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:I'm sure there are a number of teams kicking themselves right now for not biting on Luongo. Florida, Philly, Washington, islanders, Edmonton, and even Toronto. Especially when they remember they could have had Luongo for next to nothing trade deadline.


Imagine how worse off the Canucks would have been had he been traded for next to nothing at the deadline?

Luongo+Lack+Horvat > Schneider+Lack+next-to-nothing. ;)
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:40 pm

So Gillis good?

Eh dude?

or Gillis lucky?

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:33 pm

ESQ wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:That's all folks are saying, Farhan. $4.5M for a PK specialist is too much money. The Canucks are simply not a playoff team if Burrows produces like a 3rd (or 4th, at this point) liner.


Fair enough.

I just think that given Burrows' history and past success here, he has earned the right to have a little slack thrown his way. He needs to pick it up obviously when he gets back, but lets not call for the guy's head if he comes back and gets off to a bit of a slow start.


A little slack is indeed deserved. Four straight 25+ goal seasons, a 22-goal pace last year, all while playing almost 0 Powerplay Time and kills penalties. From a career-average of 13% shooting percentage, which has been remarkably consistent over the last 5 seasons, he should have had around 6 goals in 17 games this year. Obviously he's shooting 0% this season, but from the games I've seen he's been robbed on many, many glorious opportunities and been the victim of bad luck more than anything else.

$4.5 million is fair market value for a 32-year-old 25-goal scorer who kills penalties. From what I've seen of him this year, I believe he is still a 25-goal scorer. It is devestating that he's not producing, and might end up being the difference between this team making the playoffs or not, but he doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus just yet.

There is no slack in a playoff race.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby nuckster » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:45 pm

Could someone explain: If a player is playing Jr hockey like Cassels, is it normal for the drafting team (the Canucks) to be able to sign that player to a contract while they're playing for their junior team?? I thought they would have to be playing with the parent club (the Canucks) in order to get a contract? I know that he can't play in the AHL until he's a certain age. Kind of an odd rule really.

Myself, along with others, thought that Cassels was one of the best Canuck prospects at the 'young stars' tournament in Penticton this fall, and personally I found it odd that he was sent down to his OHL junior team without being given any playing time with the Canucks over the pre-season. So in my mind Cassels is an under-rated prospect who WILL be playing in the 'bigs' yet.

With some of the trade talk that has been bantied about of late, and then hearing about Cassels attempted signing to a contract today, I found myself wondering if Gillis would consider using Cassels as a player as part of a package in a trade deal?? I dunno. All i really know is that this kid has more to offer than he has been given credit for.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:13 am

nuckster wrote:Could someone explain: If a player is playing Jr hockey like Cassels, is it normal for the drafting team (the Canucks) to be able to sign that player to a contract while they're playing for their junior team??

Myself, along with others, thought that Cassels was one of the best Canuck prospects at the 'young stars' tournament in Penticton this fall, and personally I found it odd that he was sent down to his OHL junior team without being given any playing time with the Canucks over the pre-season. So in my mind Cassels is an under-rated prospect who WILL be playing in the 'bigs' yet.


I'm not sure about the CBA and stuff, but I think the Canucks can sign Cassels anytime. He is Canuck property and I think we have like 2 years to sign him; if we can't sign him, he either goes back into the draft or becomes a free agent.

As far as him getting a chance to show his stuff at camp and him being involved in a trade? I think because of his draft position and the number of other prospects we had around, it was just a numbers game, so he was sent back to his junior club early. I'm sure he's raising some eyebrows with his play and I'm sure he will get a good look next year @ training camp. I'm not worried about him, he will get a chance to show what he can do against better competition. As far as a trade goes, u never know. He might get packaged in a deal, but I don't think his trade value is that high as he was just recently drafted in the 3rd round, so he is not really considered a top prospect just yet. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep up those numbers over the season and maybe become a dominate player in the OHL, then his stock might go up a bit. Keep in mind, there are always lots of guys who can light up the junior ranks, but can't make the jump to the NHL.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:35 am

Check that, Cassels actually signed today. Nice to get our prospects under contract. :)

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id ... L|VAN|home
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby nuckster » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:44 am

Appreciate your reasoned responses there Mr. Bersnoozi!
I heard that the nhl didn't approve the Cassel's contract... guess we'll see.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:05 am

nuckster wrote:Appreciate your reasoned responses there Mr. Bersnoozi!
I heard that the nhl didn't approve the Cassel's contract... guess we'll see.


NP. Weird, usually young guys don't get a lot compared to the NHL superstars, so it's pretty basic and straight forward. I'm sure it'll get finalized and sorted out soon.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:30 am

nuckster wrote:I heard that the nhl didn't approve the Cassel's contract... guess we'll see.


You heard wrong.

I stand corrected:

Cassels' contract was initially rejected by the NHL due to a technicality involving an unattainable games-played bonus. Gilman said late Wednesday the contract has been revised and sent back to the league and Cassels' agent.


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Anyway..

The Canucks can sign any of their players to contracts including players in the CHL, like they have with Bo Horvat, Hunter Shinkaruk, Brendan Gaunce, Nicklas Jensen, Cody Hodgson and virtually every other prospect of note.

It's the players headed for (or already in) NCAA hockey that can't sign due to the restrictive nature of "amateur status" that organization requires of its players.. the CHL allows it, the first year of the contract simply 'slides' until the player makes his professional debut.

That being said what I can't really recall is hearing of a prospect signed in the middle of a season like this. Given that USA Hockey just named their final WJC training camp roster and Cassels was not on it, one has to wonder whether this contract was seen as a vote of confidence and a bit of a consolation prize for the young player.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:25 am

dbr wrote:That being said what I can't really recall is hearing of a prospect signed in the middle of a season like this. Given that USA Hockey just named their final WJC training camp roster and Cassels was not on it, one has to wonder whether this contract was seen as a vote of confidence and a bit of a consolation prize for the young player.


In that case what do the Canucks give Gaunce? A paid trip to Tahiti for Christmas? :P
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:46 am

Having him under contract also makes him more tradeable. Not saying he is going to be traded but it makes it easier to package him up. But I think overall the Canucks are pleased with his development and the contract is his reward.
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