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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Mondi » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:44 am

Meds wrote:
Did you really just call the Liberal Party run CBC an accurate reporting news broadcaster?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As for hockey.....

CBC HNiC is even more heavily Toronto biased than TSN is. We were still hearing about Phil Kessel while Boston was sweeping Pittsburgh in the conference finals last year.....this a full two rounds after the Leafs had been eliminated in a choke job that not even the Canucks can match.


No, I didn't. What I said was, the CBC can run news that isn't necessarily designed to generate revenue. Which can be a reasonable balance to the far-right Sun, Global and right CTV.

The CBC has its own problems, but the lose of a public broadcaster is bad news for any fair-minded citizen of a democracy and supporter of a free and independent press. Unless you think news is just a commodity designed to generate profit.

And the only reason that is relevant is because the CBC is highly dependent on the profitable HNIC property. Which I suppose shall continue, but likely won't generate nearly as much for CBC with SN running the show.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:29 pm

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/hock ... story.html

A little more detail on the new deal.

1) HNIC still gets it's iconic Saturday night game. Albeit with no control over what teams they get and expectations are that SN will keep all Leaf games. This allows HNIC to continue to broadcast games while minimizing tax payers costs the keep the show going. It will also result in job loss but not as much had the been shut out. If Rogers had problems with BB wonder how they feel about Cherry?

2) TSN also loses the rights to the draft so no live coverage for them.

3) TSN will undoubtably now have to cut a number of employees. Hopefully the good ones get snapped up by SN.

4) hopefully SN will continue to broadcast regionally all Canadian games for all Canadian teams. Since the deal also includes control over Centre Ice and all mediums could we see the coming of more PPV type situations? They get three exclusive broadcast nights per week for national broadcasts. But regionally theyvstill control the rest.

5) this deal has the potential to knock the piss out of TSN.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:38 pm

Mondi wrote:This sort of thing troubles me for many reasons, but the main reason is the vertical integration run amok in the media and entertainment industry.

If my understanding is correct, Rogers now owns

(1) The Network (Rogers Sportsnet and the Score)
(2) The Infrastructure (Wires, Towers and Satellites)
(3) The Broadcast Property and the on-air talent (HNIC and Sportsnet Canucks...etc.)
(4) The Team (Leafs)

In a lot of ways that is a monopoly, cartel, or whatever you want to call it. Good luck finding balanced coverage, or criticism of the Leafs. Even if this whole thing were somehow corruption and bias free, the appearance of bias is automatic.

And, its another nail in the coffin of CBC. Whether the right-wing profits-before-people sector of this world understands it or not, there is great value in having a news-media outlet in the country that is not beholden to a corporate board of directors and shareholders whose only requirement is profit. Sometimes accurate reporting is contingent on not seeking out the best selling story. In a lot of ways, that is now impossible when it comes to hockey coverage.

Good points but not only that, its going to cost more to watch games from now on as they can charge whatever the fuck they like... And yes news and media has been bullshit for a long while and only continues to get worse. There is no point at all in buying a newspaper (asswipe is so much softer) or catching a news broadcast on any platform any more and hasn't been for a long time... if ever....
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Meds wrote:
Mondi wrote:This sort of thing troubles me for many reasons, but the main reason is the vertical integration run amok in the media and entertainment industry.

If my understanding is correct, Rogers now owns

(1) The Network (Rogers Sportsnet and the Score)
(2) The Infrastructure (Wires, Towers and Satellites)
(3) The Broadcast Property and the on-air talent (HNIC and Sportsnet Canucks...etc.)
(4) The Team (Leafs)

In a lot of ways that is a monopoly, cartel, or whatever you want to call it. Good luck finding balanced coverage, or criticism of the Leafs. Even if this whole thing were somehow corruption and bias free, the appearance of bias is automatic.

And, its another nail in the coffin of CBC. Whether the right-wing profits-before-people sector of this world understands it or not, there is great value in having a news-media outlet in the country that is not behold to a corporate board of directors and shareholders whose only requirement is profit. Sometimes accurate reporting is contingent on not seeking out the best selling story. In a lot of ways, that is now impossible when it comes to hockey coverage.


Did you really just call the Liberal Party run CBC an accurate reporting news broadcaster?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As for hockey.....

CBC HNiC is even more heavily Toronto biased than TSN is. We were still hearing about Phil Kessel while Boston was sweeping Pittsburgh in the conference finals last year.....this a full two rounds after the Leafs had been eliminated in a choke job that not even the Canucks can match.


Liberal run ?? wtf Meds ya rednek, True dough aint won no E lecktion yet...
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Lancer » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:46 pm

ukcanuck wrote:Good points but not only that, its going to cost more to watch games from now on as they can charge whatever the fuck they like...


This is where I'd like to see further details on things. It's being said that there will be no more regional restrictions, but will this mean the return of PPV games? Will you now have to pay for a special package to get Sportsnet if you're not with Rogers?

I'm not totally ready to pan this deal from a viewer's PoV. If I can get Canucks games in HD from my home in Ontario through Shaw without having to order NHL Centre Ice, then I am one happy viewer. With this virtual monopoly on Canadian games, though, colour me a bit skeptical.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby herb » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:50 pm

TV is quickly moving to an on-demand platform. Soon we will be seeing traditional cable TV go the way of the home phone with content being purchased in on demand formats.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Topper » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:59 pm

I love the Shaw owned National Post closes out it's article with a pic of Duthie chuckling.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:28 pm

Lancer wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:Good points but not only that, its going to cost more to watch games from now on as they can charge whatever the fuck they like...


This is where I'd like to see further details on things. It's being said that there will be no more regional restrictions, but will this mean the return of PPV games? Will you now have to pay for a special package to get Sportsnet if you're not with Rogers?

I'm not totally ready to pan this deal from a viewer's PoV. If I can get Canucks games in HD from my home in Ontario through Shaw without having to order NHL Centre Ice, then I am one happy viewer. With this virtual monopoly on Canadian games, though, colour me a bit skeptical.

Maybe there was a time once in band camp when a monopoly was good for consumers but I can't name one...

From an internet user point of view ...live streaming is getting better
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby ORCA » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:37 pm

I'm actually happy.

As a Canucks fan living outside of BC, all this means is a lot more Vancouver games for less money.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Topper » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:45 pm

ORCA wrote:I'm actually happy.

As a Canucks fan living outside of BC, all this means is a lot more Vancouver games for less money.

What makes you say that?
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby The Brown Knight » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:51 pm

ukcanuck wrote:From an internet user point of view ...live streaming is getting better


Not a knock against anyone earning less than six figures a year, but I think live streaming is extremely demeaning.

It's not the worst thing in the world obviously, but nothing beats watching a game in front of a 70 inch HD TV.

Again, no offense intended here.

Streaming is a nice cost effective option, but it ain't nothing like TV. Atleast for me anyways.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby ORCA » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:03 pm

Topper wrote:What makes you say that?


Because the only way for me to watch the 50 or so Canuck games on SNPac is to buy GameCentre for 200+ per season. Its not a big deal (cheap per game). I am optimistic it will make Vancouver games more accessible, without having to buy the equivalent of another HBO.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby SKYO » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:13 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:3) TSN will undoubtably now have to cut a number of employees. Hopefully the good ones get snapped up by SN.


Won't hear much from that this season, but it should be interesting in the offseason about what persons will take 'their talents' to Sportsnet.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Topper » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:39 pm

SKYO wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:3) TSN will undoubtably now have to cut a number of employees. Hopefully the good ones get snapped up by SN.


Won't hear much from that this season, but it should be interesting in the offseason about what persons will take 'their talents' to Sportsnet.

Maybe both networks could do a full day feature broadcast much like their wasted deadline day efforts.
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Re: TSN loses NHL Hockey Rights

Postby Topper » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:40 pm

ORCA wrote:
Topper wrote:What makes you say that?


Because the only way for me to watch the 50 or so Canuck games on SNPac is to buy GameCentre for 200+ per season. Its not a big deal (cheap per game). I am optimistic it will make Vancouver games more accessible, without having to buy the equivalent of another HBO.

SportsNet has been given control of Centre Ice and GameCentre in this deal. I don't see your situation improving.
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