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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Saw that ok, thanks.

Big game tonight between two teams battling for 9th placed royalty, a 4 point game, should be a doozy!
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Reefer2 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:39 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Topper wrote:........waiting for the inevitable reefer complaint of too much line juggling/players unable to develop chemistry......


and the follow up to that, The Split up the Sedins suggestions.


a) they need line juggling, once you get pass Sedins and Kelser there is no consistent offence so they need to shake it up
b) I have rarely said anything about splitting them up
c) I really don't care how the team does right now, this team is in the middle of the league and may or may not win the cup should they make the playoffs. They could if the team clicks at the right time or they could go out in 4 again.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby sagebrush » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:16 pm

Today's practice lines:

Sedins-Burrows
Higgins-Santorelli-Kesler
Kassian-Richardson-Hansen
A mix of Sestito-Booth-Welsh-Dalpe-Weise

Not hard to read between those lines.

PS - The Canucks put Weber on waivers today.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:41 pm

sagebrush wrote:Today's practice lines:

Sedins-Burrows
Higgins-Santorelli-Kesler
Kassian-Richardson-Hansen
A mix of Sestito-Booth-Welsh-Dalpe-Weise

Not hard to read between those lines.

I'm starting to think David Booth may not score 30 goals for the Canucks this year. :(

...maybe he's not praying hard enough?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:45 pm

I dont think Booth will score 30 goals in all his seasons combined playing for Vancouver.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:00 pm

He may be an inexcusable waste of $4 million, but at least Samuelsson isn't out playing him. :D
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:57 pm

BurningBeard wrote:He may be an inexcusable waste of $4 million, but at least Samuelsson isn't out playing him. :D
Which is why letting Samuelsson walk at the end of his contract, instead of trading him for the big useless Jesus boy, bear baiter and his 4.25 million dollar contract which doesn't end til after next season. Tallon has got the last laugh over this one, the only hope for Gillis redeeming himself is that Cole Cassels actually turns into a stud as he was the 3rd pick Florida gave us in that deal.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:58 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
sagebrush wrote:Today's practice lines:

Sedins-Burrows
Higgins-Santorelli-Kesler
Kassian-Richardson-Hansen
A mix of Sestito-Booth-Welsh-Dalpe-Weise

Not hard to read between those lines.

I'm starting to think David Booth may not score 30 goals for the Canucks this year. :(

...maybe he's not praying hard enough?


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:29 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
BurningBeard wrote:I'm starting to think David Booth may not score 30 goals for the Canucks this year. :(
...maybe he's not praying hard enough?

Damn are you slow

You don't think he's going to get 30 either?!
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:26 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
BurningBeard wrote:He may be an inexcusable waste of $4 million, but at least Samuelsson isn't out playing him. :D
Which is why letting Samuelsson walk at the end of his contract, instead of trading him for the big useless Jesus boy, bear baiter and his 4.25 million dollar contract which doesn't end til after next season. Tallon has got the last laugh over this one, the only hope for Gillis redeeming himself is that Cole Cassels actually turns into a stud as he was the 3rd pick Florida gave us in that deal.

You didn't think trading Samuelsson (and getting rid of Sturm) for Booth wasn't an upgrade? And a really good shot at getting a 30 goal scorer that had chemistry with Kesler? I'm not talking about right now, I'm talking about Oct 2011, like 10 games into the season.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:01 am

RoyalDude wrote:the only hope for Gillis redeeming himself is that Cole Cassels actually turns into a stud as he was the 3rd pick Florida gave us in that deal.


Cole Cassels if off to a great start. He's like 22nd among the OHL scoring leaders. BoHo is like 1 point behind him. Hopefully, Cassels will turn out to be a dark horse pick and turn out to be a good one; he has the genes, hopefully he'll pan out. :P

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stat ... 9/first/20


BurningBeard wrote:You didn't think trading Samuelsson (and getting rid of Sturm) for Booth wasn't an upgrade? And a really good shot at getting a 30 goal scorer that had chemistry with Kesler? I'm not talking about right now, I'm talking about Oct 2011, like 10 games into the season.


I'm with RD on this one. I would of stayed away from Boothy. I didn't like his contract (salary + term) for a player who was relatively unknown. If MG stayed away from Booth + Baltard altogether, he would of had some younger assets (1st pick + grabner) and available dollars to use on players who could actuallly help this team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:30 am

Todd Bersnoozi wrote:I'm with RD on this one. I would of stayed away from Boothy. I didn't like his contract (salary + term) for a player who was relatively unknown. If MG stayed away from Booth + Baltard altogether, he would of had some younger assets (1st pick + grabner) and available dollars to use on players who could actuallly help this team.


This is what psychologists refer to as creeping determinism, or looking at events which have already occurred as being more predictive than they actually were.

At this point, even I have a hard time arguing that Booth should stick around. :lol:

Booth was an attempt at getting a 25-30 goal scorer in the lineup for next to nothing. We also got a third round pick in that trade which has turned into a useful prospect. At this point Booth is on the fast track to being waived. You win some (Higgins) you lose some (Booth). Wotever.

It's too bad Shinkaruk/Horvat/Gaunce/Cassels aren't a year or two older and that Jensen isn't an option.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The Brown Knight » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:26 pm

Todd Bersnoozi wrote:I'm with RD on this one. I would of stayed away from Boothy.


Hindsight is always 20/20.

Gillis took a risk on a Booth and lost (or is losing). Period.

Gillis saw a 20 something year old that had good size, and had proven success at the NHL level. Gillis saw a guy that had a few injuries, but had a realistic shot of re-discovering his 30 goal self. Gillis took the risk and lost.

In theory however, I don't think Gillis' line of thought can be at fault at all.

Ditto for Ballard. Gillis' logic and line of thought was not at fault. The players he picked up, for various reasons, just did not play well while they were here.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby sagebrush » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:39 pm

When allowing someone to make decisions, you hope for good judgement. When paying them to do it, you expect good judgement.

Gillis' tenure is based on the total of his decisions. Excuses for individual decisions don't cut it.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:42 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:In theory however, I don't think Gillis' line of thought can be at fault at all.

Ditto for Ballard. Gillis' logic and line of thought was not at fault. The players he picked up, for various reasons, just did not play well while they were here.


Gillis got Ballard out of an abundance of caution, fearing that he would not be able to sign Hamhuis. I sort of get that, but the long-term planning sucked because once Hamhuis was signed Ballard became redundant almost immediately. I have to assume the scouting the Canucks had on Ballard was terrible because he was nowhere near the player we thought we were getting (could not play the right side, at all, terrible awareness, poor conditioning, etc.). Gillis also paid a hefty price to acquire Ballard, whereas Booth cost next to nothing.
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