Leontardo da Vinci?Art Vandelay wrote: Sorry Whinestein
Art, welcome to the boards, I apologize for my friend, every village has one.
For the record, I edited Art’s post to “Whinestein”, just saying cuz I don't wanna besmirch his classy rep.
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Leontardo da Vinci?Art Vandelay wrote: Sorry Whinestein
What the hell?RoyalDude wrote:What's with the name calling? Rude and unprofessional?Art Vandelay wrote:RD are you the board clown ? San Jose is one of the few teams with poorer prospects than Vancouver. Other than Hertl there is fuck all coming up through their system.
Let's look at the last 4 drafts, no need to go back to the Couture and Pavelski draft gems of Dougy Wilson's
Sharks 1st round picks
2010 - Coyle (traded to Minny where he now excels for the massive Brent Burns)
2011 - Nieto (has 1 goal and 2 assists with Sharks)
2012 - Hertl ( nuff said)
2013 - Mueller
Canucks 1st round picks
2010 - pick traded to Florida with Grabner for Minnesotas - Keith Ballard
2011 - Jensen
2012- Gaunce
2013 - Shinkaruk ( don't count Horvat cause he came via Nonis 1st round pick - Schneider)
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As you know VERY well having been here for a while, I am all for moving out Edler. At this point, however, I believe that if we move a top 4 defenseman it should bring back a top 4 defenseman in return. One of our biggest problems against teams that attack us hard and fast, the way we saw San Jose do in our two meetings this season, is that our defenseman often fumble the puck or make a shitty pass that can't be handled quickly, if that problem can be rectified then teams like the Sharks would have to back off or risk getting burned by a quick transition.The Brown Knight wrote: An idea I had in mind was.....
To Buffalo: Alex Edler, Chris Higgins, Jannik Hansen
To Vancouver: Steve Ott, Thomas Vaneck.
Fuck off!Mëds wrote: As you know VERY well having been here for a while, I am all for moving out Edler.
POS NAME GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG PIM SHOTS PCT ATOI
D Alexander Edler 5 1 2 3 -2 0 0 0 6 12 8.33 24:56
D Kevin Bieksa 5 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 9 0.00 22:53
D Jason Garrison 5 2 3 5 -3 1 1 0 4 14 14.29 22:46
L Daniel Sedin 5 2 4 6 1 1 0 0 4 22 9.09 21:36
C Henrik Sedin 5 0 6 6 3 0 0 0 4 10 0.00 21:14
D Dan Hamhuis 5 1 1 2 -3 0 0 0 0 4 25.00 21:13
C Ryan Kesler 5 1 0 1 -4 0 0 0 11 16 6.25 20:08
L Alexandre Burrows 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 18:34
L Chris Higgins 5 0 1 1 -3 0 0 0 0 18 0.00 18:27
C Mike Santorelli 5 4 0 4 1 0 0 2 2 9 44.44 17:19
D Christopher Tanev 5 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 6 0.00 17:06
R Jannik Hansen 5 2 0 2 -3 0 0 1 8 7 28.57 17:05
L David Booth 5 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 8 12.50 16:10
R Brad Richardson 5 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 3 33.33 13:58
D Ryan Stanton 5 0 3 3 2 0 0 0 2 4 0.00 13:26
R Dale Weise 5 1 0 1 -3 0 0 0 2 5 20.00 11:16
L Tom Sestito 5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 7 2 0.00 5:02
D Yannick Weber 4 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 4:32
C Zac Dalpe 5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 3 0.00 4:19
Really Vader? Thought you'd been around for a while.Vader wrote:Fuck off!Mëds wrote: As you know VERY well having been here for a while, I am all for moving out Edler.
Really?
No clue you felt that way
I've been trying NOT to look at that.Vader wrote: BTW - look at how Tortorella distributes ice time. at least he's not giving Edler's tonnes of icetime like that moron AVPOS NAME GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG PIM SHOTS PCT ATOI
D Alexander Edler 5 1 2 3 -2 0 0 0 6 12 8.33 24:56
D Kevin Bieksa 5 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 9 0.00 22:53
D Jason Garrison 5 2 3 5 -3 1 1 0 4 14 14.29 22:46
L Daniel Sedin 5 2 4 6 1 1 0 0 4 22 9.09 21:36
C Henrik Sedin 5 0 6 6 3 0 0 0 4 10 0.00 21:14
D Dan Hamhuis 5 1 1 2 -3 0 0 0 0 4 25.00 21:13
C Ryan Kesler 5 1 0 1 -4 0 0 0 11 16 6.25 20:08
L Alexandre Burrows 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 18:34
L Chris Higgins 5 0 1 1 -3 0 0 0 0 18 0.00 18:27
C Mike Santorelli 5 4 0 4 1 0 0 2 2 9 44.44 17:19
D Christopher Tanev 5 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 6 0.00 17:06
R Jannik Hansen 5 2 0 2 -3 0 0 1 8 7 28.57 17:05
L David Booth 5 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 8 12.50 16:10
R Brad Richardson 5 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 3 33.33 13:58
D Ryan Stanton 5 0 3 3 2 0 0 0 2 4 0.00 13:26
R Dale Weise 5 1 0 1 -3 0 0 0 2 5 20.00 11:16
L Tom Sestito 5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 7 2 0.00 5:02
D Yannick Weber 4 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 4:32
C Zac Dalpe 5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 3 0.00 4:19
Well yeah.....no shit.Uncle dans leg wrote:The only Weber I want coming back is Shea. Edler and whatever for Shea Weber.
Mëds wrote:As you know VERY well having been here for a while, I am all for moving out Edler. At this point, however, I believe that if we move a top 4 defenseman it should bring back a top 4 defenseman in return. One of our biggest problems against teams that attack us hard and fast, the way we saw San Jose do in our two meetings this season, is that our defenseman often fumble the puck or make a shitty pass that can't be handled quickly, if that problem can be rectified then teams like the Sharks would have to back off or risk getting burned by a quick transition.The Brown Knight wrote: An idea I had in mind was.....
To Buffalo: Alex Edler, Chris Higgins, Jannik Hansen
To Vancouver: Steve Ott, Thomas Vaneck.
Steve Ott is not worth it, at least not for us. Kesler should be moved back into the shutdown center role that he was in for 2010-11. He excelled there. Nobody wanted to play against him because he was so tenacious on the forecheck and backcheck. We all saw it, he shutdown the best players in the league, and he did it very well. He was out on the PP with the Sedins, and he put up his scoring numbers with them and off of some forced turnovers and hard work. Now he tries to carry the puck in and make moves like Crosby or Ovechkin, he's not that kind of player, and until the coaching staff in Vancouver recognizes that for Kesler to be effective he needs to be aimed in the right direction, then trying to complement Kesler and build a second scoring unit around him is a waste of time and cap space. He's too selfish with the puck and doesn't seem to use his linemates well at all, no matter who they are. Last night his line was the only line doing anything in the San Jose zone in the first half of the game because they were the only line that was able to attack a dump in and create a turnover that prevented the Sharks from breaking out. When he was trying to carry it in to the zone nothing happened other than the puck going to the corner or back out of the zone with the Sharks.
I would suggest getting a puck moving defenseman in exchange for Edler.
To BUF: Edler + Corrado or Tanev
To VAN: Ehrhoff + Weber
When healthy I think we can move a top 6 forward for another top 6 forward. It is our bottom 6 that needs work. I would start by waiving Sestito.
*My idea is based on making a deal with a team where players are dealt because a fresh start is thought to make for an improvement for both the players and their respective new clubs.
But you said it yourself Art.Art Vandelay wrote:Mëds the team is not trading Edler. Even though he made a bonehead play getting suspended, he is the teams best d man. Wake up my friend. Team needs all the d man they have and maybe that won't be good enough, yet you want to flip our best one for a bum like Ehrhoff. The Canucks are one good forward away from being a cup contender. THAT is the problem that is most concerning to the intelligent fans.
I'm still a better speller than Potatoe1.Island Nucklehead wrote:At least get the name right... it's Tomas VANEK.
And you do realize that he is a UFA at the end of the season, and will probably want a long term deal at least at a rate of $7.5M per? Steve Ott is also a UFA.
Do you want Sedin-Sedin-Vanek accounting for 22-23M per year?
I also think Burrows-Hansen-Higgins would out-produce Vanek-Ott.
Realistically, you could trade Burrows, Hansen, Higgins and be left with nothing come July 1st.
While I think adding another bonafide sniper is a good idea, the price you're paying for a rental is disgustingly high.
Completely agree here. I think the Dark Indian has been into the mushroom tea coming up with deals like that. There are some decent 2nd tier forwards that will come available this between now and the deadline. Vancouver has a few decent pieces to dangle in Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder and the 2014 1st. Does Gillis have the chops to make something happen ?Island Nucklehead wrote:At least get the name right... it's Tomas VANEK.
And you do realize that he is a UFA at the end of the season, and will probably want a long term deal at least at a rate of $7.5M per? Steve Ott is also a UFA.
Do you want Sedin-Sedin-Vanek accounting for 22-23M per year?
I also think Burrows-Hansen-Higgins would out-produce Vanek-Ott.
Realistically, you could trade Burrows, Hansen, Higgins and be left with nothing come July 1st.
While I think adding another bonafide sniper is a good idea, the price you're paying for a rental is disgustingly high.