Re-sign the Sedins thread

[dbr]

Personally, I hate the idea of following the Alberta “tank it” model where there is absolutely no guarantee of a Taylor Hall or a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in any given draft, and even then we don’t know how these players are going to work out.

What's especially funny about this (as you've intimated) is that even getting a Hall, RNH and Yakupov is no guarantee of any success.

From where I stand none of those players is on the level of a Doughty (or a Kopitar although he was obviously not taken at #1) or a Toews or a Kane or a Crosby or a Malkin or etc etc.

Those teams that did get those players also had to make several other moves that had nothing whatsoever to do with drafting 1st overall and there's no reason the Canucks can't take a similar path.. at the same time the Oilers have tried to get those 1st overall picks but seem to gunshy or incompetent to make any of the other maneuvers that brought the current crop of contenders back to relevance.

[herb]

What's especially funny about this (as you've intimated) is that even getting a Hall, RNH and Yakupov is no guarantee of any success.

No guarantee at all. The Lightening, Oilers and Islanders are still shitty teams, and OV hasn't won a cup in Washington. Sure, drafting high worked well for the Blackhawsk and Penguins, but they also built extremely deep teams.

Look at Calgary and how they are rushing Monahan into the lineup after saying they wouldn't rush him into the lineup. It's not just about picking well, but building through trades and signings while developing a culture of winning.

[Rumsfeld]

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

[Per]

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.

[Rumsfeld]

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.

Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.

[The_Pauser]

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.

Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.

I could live with $5M per for 3 years.

[Rumsfeld]

Oh you could live with that could ya Pauser?

Anyway, my apprehension with the numbers being bandied about is that I don't think we should be paying the Sedins NOW based on what they accomplished in their peak seasons from '09-11.

I think we should be paying them based on how we think they'll perform when they're well past their physical prime, from '15-19 or whatever term they decide on.

Therein lies the rub for yours truly.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Yes 5 million per is the going rate for ppg players. This place is like a fucking meth lab sometimes but it lacks WW. Too many Badgers and Pinkmans running around and a few Flynns for sure.

[sagebrush]

^^ You need a Heisenberg to make the decisions.

In the real world, this boils down to the best return on the cap$, & keeping the boss happy.

Some comparable cap hits, from contracts beginning 2013:

Semin 7M$
Rask 7M$
Pietrangelo 6.5M$
J. Staal 6.0M$
Hall 6.0M$
Eberle 6.0M$
Lucic 6.0M$

PS - These guys all have one thing in common. They're younger than the Sedins.

[Cookie La Rue]

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.

Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.

5 for both per then it's their decision to share it equally...

[Jovocop]

^^ You need a Heisenberg to make the decisions.

In the real world, this boils down to the best return on the cap$, & keeping the boss happy.

Some comparable cap hits, from contracts beginning 2013:

Semin 7M$
Rask 7M$
Pietrangelo 6.5M$
J. Staal 6.0M$
Hall 6.0M$
Eberle 6.0M$
Lucic 6.0M$

PS - These guys all have one thing in common. They're younger than the Sedins.

Are you really comparing them to the Sedins??

Semin only has one season with over 1ppg. He is 100x softer than the Sedins.
Rask is a goalie
Pietrangelo is a defenseman
Staal's best season was 50 points
Hall's best season was 53 points
Eberle's best season was 76 points
Lucic's best season was 68 points

None of them seem to be in the same range as the Sedins, at least not now.

[Hockey Widow]

Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.

[The_Pauser]

Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.

Half closed window? Have you seen what our bottom 6 looks like? Hell, have you seen what our bottom 9 looks like? Our window was slammed shut long ago.

[Island Nucklehead]

Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.

Half closed window? Have you seen what our bottom 6 looks like? Hell, have you seen what our bottom 9 looks like? Our window was slammed shut long ago.

And your idea of opening another window is blowing the whole wall off the side of your house. Brilliant.

[The_Pauser]

I'd rather blow the whole wall off the side of the house and begin rebuilding a new window now than to just sit around for a few years and have to eventually do that anyway.