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Re-sign the Sedins?

Yes
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No
5
11%
Maybe
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9%
Who gives a shit
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5%
 
Total votes : 44

Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby dbr » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:24 am

herb wrote:Personally, I hate the idea of following the Alberta “tank it” model where there is absolutely no guarantee of a Taylor Hall or a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in any given draft, and even then we don’t know how these players are going to work out.


What's especially funny about this (as you've intimated) is that even getting a Hall, RNH and Yakupov is no guarantee of any success.

From where I stand none of those players is on the level of a Doughty (or a Kopitar although he was obviously not taken at #1) or a Toews or a Kane or a Crosby or a Malkin or etc etc.

Those teams that did get those players also had to make several other moves that had nothing whatsoever to do with drafting 1st overall and there's no reason the Canucks can't take a similar path.. at the same time the Oilers have tried to get those 1st overall picks but seem to gunshy or incompetent to make any of the other maneuvers that brought the current crop of contenders back to relevance.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby herb » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:36 am

dbr wrote:What's especially funny about this (as you've intimated) is that even getting a Hall, RNH and Yakupov is no guarantee of any success.


No guarantee at all. The Lightening, Oilers and Islanders are still shitty teams, and OV hasn't won a cup in Washington. Sure, drafting high worked well for the Blackhawsk and Penguins, but they also built extremely deep teams.

Look at Calgary and how they are rushing Monahan into the lineup after saying they wouldn't rush him into the lineup. It's not just about picking well, but building through trades and signings while developing a culture of winning.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Per » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:14 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:35 pm

Per wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.


Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby The_Pauser » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:00 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
Per wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.


Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.


I could live with $5M per for 3 years.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:08 pm

Oh you could live with that could ya Pauser? :lol:

Anyway, my apprehension with the numbers being bandied about is that I don't think we should be paying the Sedins NOW based on what they accomplished in their peak seasons from '09-11.

I think we should be paying them based on how we think they'll perform when they're well past their physical prime, from '15-19 or whatever term they decide on.

Therein lies the rub for yours truly.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:52 pm

Yes 5 million per is the going rate for ppg players. This place is like a fucking meth lab sometimes but it lacks WW. Too many Badgers and Pinkmans running around and a few Flynns for sure.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby sagebrush » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:40 pm

^^ You need a Heisenberg to make the decisions.

In the real world, this boils down to the best return on the cap$, & keeping the boss happy.

Some comparable cap hits, from contracts beginning 2013:

Semin 7M$
Rask 7M$
Pietrangelo 6.5M$
J. Staal 6.0M$
Hall 6.0M$
Eberle 6.0M$
Lucic 6.0M$

PS - These guys all have one thing in common. They're younger than the Sedins.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Cookie La Rue » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:46 am

Rumsfeld wrote:
Per wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Why are we talking about paying Dan the same amount as Hank?

Because the twins insist they both get paid the same amount. Separate deals = no deal.


Then they can both get paid what Dan's been worth the last couple seasons.... 5 million per.

5 for both per then it's their decision to share it equally... :lol:
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Jovocop » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:38 am

sagebrush wrote:^^ You need a Heisenberg to make the decisions.

In the real world, this boils down to the best return on the cap$, & keeping the boss happy.

Some comparable cap hits, from contracts beginning 2013:

Semin 7M$
Rask 7M$
Pietrangelo 6.5M$
J. Staal 6.0M$
Hall 6.0M$
Eberle 6.0M$
Lucic 6.0M$

PS - These guys all have one thing in common. They're younger than the Sedins.


Are you really comparing them to the Sedins??

Semin only has one season with over 1ppg. He is 100x softer than the Sedins.
Rask is a goalie
Pietrangelo is a defenseman
Staal's best season was 50 points
Hall's best season was 53 points
Eberle's best season was 76 points
Lucic's best season was 68 points

None of them seem to be in the same range as the Sedins, at least not now.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:04 am

Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby The_Pauser » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:16 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.


Half closed window? Have you seen what our bottom 6 looks like? Hell, have you seen what our bottom 9 looks like? Our window was slammed shut long ago.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:57 pm

The_Pauser wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Obviously if the twins were in their earl to mid 20's you do 8 years at 8 million each cap hit. But they are not in their early to mid 20's. On a 1-2 year deal give them their 7-7.5 but if they want and MG wants term, like 4-5 years then the cap has to be in the low 6's. So to me it depends upon the term both sides can agree to and want.

It wasn't that long ago Hank said they wanted to go year to year and now they are talking about one last contract. I' d be happy with a two year deal at this point and for the big cap hit. Let's face it,if we really are at a half closed window then better to be on a short deal with these two.


Half closed window? Have you seen what our bottom 6 looks like? Hell, have you seen what our bottom 9 looks like? Our window was slammed shut long ago.


And your idea of opening another window is blowing the whole wall off the side of your house. Brilliant.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby The_Pauser » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:19 am

I'd rather blow the whole wall off the side of the house and begin rebuilding a new window now than to just sit around for a few years and have to eventually do that anyway.
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