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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby okcanuck » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:50 am

Shanahan is a complete moron and the NHL is losing what little credibility it had.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby Rayxor » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:35 am

dbr wrote:Honestly guys, just remember that "fairness" and "consistency" and "punishing the act/intent rather than the outcome" aren't even close to the top priority when it comes to supplemental discipline. There's a whole lot of head scratching and teeth gnashing going on over these extremely predictable outcomes..

So, for those of you keeping score at home, the interpretation of NHL rules, disciplinary actions for those who break the rules and in-game officiating can be modified as needed based on:

    the offender
    the victim
    offender's team
    victim's team
    preseason game
    regular season game
      early
      midseason
      late
    Playoffs
      1st round
      2nd round
      3rd round
      SCF
    Game
      1st period
      2nd period
      3rd period
      O/T
    Official's previous call
      previous blown calll
      previous missed call
      complaints about previous call/missed call
    Media/fans perception
    Familial connection
This is just a short list, but one we can probably agree on and cite examples for each item.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby Rayxor » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:07 am

Soapy wrote:No real suspension for Kessel.....wow...
the rest of preseason and that's it.

Kessel got Double Secret Probation !!

Is this to be considered any sort of punishment at all?
Does Kessel lose salary?
Does the team suffer? Top liners are often healthy scratches in preseason.
Was there any chance that Kessel wouldn't survive roster cuts?

Consider this: last game of season for a non-playoff team, player chops someone the same way. player gets 3 game suspension... when? Not in preseason, that would be ridiculous. Why bother? It has to matter, right? So, why is that different?
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby Uncle dans leg » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:15 am

Rayxor wrote:It has to matter, right?

No.

Here...this'll help...

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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby Uncle dans leg » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:19 am

oh and you cant fly on one wing...
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*check out the dudes eyes reaching for it lol
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby herb » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:36 am

Rayxor wrote:Is this to be considered any sort of punishment at all?


Rayxor, how is Kessel going to prove to Carlyle that he should be on the opening night roster? His chances of making the Leafs have just been totally...oh wait, his chances of making the Leafs hasn't changed at all and this "punishment" isn't a punishment at all. :evil:


The league should just create a suspension matrix that removes any doubt from situations, or at least sets broad guidelines of what we can expect. That way the soap opera side show aspect of these situations is removed and players, teams and fans know what to expect. If they can do it for minor and major penalties, they can do it for suspendable penalties as well.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby JNF » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:22 pm

Herb are you suggesting the league make sense. :idea: :idea:
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby herb » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm

Why yes, I suppose I am.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason tonight

Postby BigTuna » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:01 pm

Lancer wrote:
BigTuna wrote: How about the Leafs getting stripped of a draft pick over a 50k payment to a Swedish club over Grogren? Or how about the massive fine over a bet Ron Wilson had with his own players when Jerome Iginla admited doing the same thing to the media and the Flames got squat.Or how about Mark Bell getting a 10 game suspension or a personal issue he had with police when everyone said he'd get nothing because he was a Leaf.

While you guys think the Leafs get favours, they clearly don't. Most of Betteman expansion mistakes get the favours. They arren't losing money or draft picks over things like that. The Leafs will never be hurt over suspensions or fines, so they will get hit as hard as everyone.

And I do thin k there is a good chance Kessel gets 1 or 2 games out of this.


Ooooooooooohhhh, a draft pick! My God, that's the future right there folks! Shut down the season, boys, we lost a 4th round draft pick! By God, Buttman done did yo Leafs WRONG brutha. Goddamn but The Buttman done did you Wrong!

Oh, and a fine for Wilson... employed by one of the richest clubs in the league. Excuse me if I don't cry a river over the injustice of it all. How many games did that cost the Leafs this season? Care to try explaining how the league screwed the team competitively there?

Oh Mark Bell, who could forget the immortal Mark Bell? 10 games, when other players have had their seasons ended due to substance abuse (Theo Fleury for one). At least guys like Fleury didn't wait for the league to take him out of the season. How much did the Leafs miss Bell's whopping 4 goals??? Oh, but the Leafs, you know, they are hard done by the Buttman I tell ya.

Yeah Buttman saves most of his unethical competitive tampering to his expansion darlings, but don't insult people's intelligence here by crying 'Victim of The Buttman'. It just reinforces why people coast to coast hate Toronto fans.


You can try to downplay these examples, but other teams aren't getting these.

Losing a 4th round draft pick opver a transfer fee is indeed a big deal.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:59 pm

Kessel needed to get hit with five games for that nonsense. Either that or force him to bleach his teeth. :evil:
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby Strangelove » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:21 pm



Love how Shanahan said the first slash was "in self-defence", that he suspended Kessel for the second one.

(after Scott was tackled by 3 Leafs)

And Shanny felt he had to point out the 2 slashes Kessel dished out against Philly to justify this suspension.

OMG that just SCREAMS incompetence!

So the slashes in the Philly game are a factor in this suspension but the first slash on Scott was NOT??

Meanwhile the spear to Scott was not worth even mentioning??!! :crazy:

No wonder the general consensus among hardcore fans everywhere is that Shanny is Captain Kangaroo.

No wonder the players are confused about what is... and what is not... completely unacceptable.

He fines the Sabres coach for leaving Scott on the ice after a small Sabre got beat up by a big Leaf.

Doesn't fine the Leaf coach (as per the rule book) for Clarkson sneaking in off the bench.

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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby Strangelove » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:37 pm

John Scott has a degree in Mechanical Engineering (Michigan Tech).

He managed to goad two top-6 forwards on a divisional rival into suspensions.

Perhaps he's a "hockey goon" and a genius? :mrgreen:
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby Rayxor » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:34 am

Strangelove wrote:No wonder the general consensus among hardcore fans everywhere is that Shanny is Captain Kangaroo.

I didn't think I would ever fell nostalgic for the days of Colin Campbell.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby herb » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:30 am

I find it amazing that the league doesn't find it worthwhile to go through a benchmarking exercise and set some well know best practices for suspensions. Every other industry in the world does this, but not the NHL.

At the very least they could do something like say a headshot with no injury is two games, with an injury is five games, with a severe injury is 10+ games, etc. This would at least show the league has some transparency and creditiblity. Instead, they have this system where the whole world is in the dark, there are no clear guidelines and Shanny sits in an office somewhere mulling it all over.
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Re: Sabres vs Leaves preseason SUSPENSIONS

Postby rats19 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:51 am

Its a joke....I know this isn't news but gee whiz....its so bad its funny
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