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Re-sign the Sedins?

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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:11 pm

In hindsight it was pretty brave of Daniel to take that humiliating beating in the hopes of getting a PP in a game long-decided.

I'm sure he wanted to fight back, he was just valiantly taking one for the team.

It's really AV's fault for instituting a strict no-punching-back policy on our top players. That bastard.

I'm also sure there are other guys in the league with As on their sweater who would have sat there and taken it the exact same way in a game where there was nothing to gain from a power play. Just because I can't think of a single one doesn't mean they aren't out there.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby SKYO » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:21 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:So Hank said today he and Dank want to stay and expect to begin negotiations on an extension sometime next week. When asked if they were only looking for one year deals he said we'll see. But would like it done before camp opens, although there is no time table :D

Right on, some good news for once! :thumbs:
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:29 pm

So what would be a successful REGULAR season for the twins?

My predictions:

20 goals 55-60 assists for Hank with the usual shitty defensive play.

Dan SHOULD be around 30 goals and 45 assists with his usual shitty defensive play -- but after his dismal showing this season I'm thinking more along the lines of 25 goals and 40 assists... which would be pretty bad considering they're going to get more ice time.

Hope I'm wrong about Danny.

I also fully expect one or both to get injured with Torts breathing down their necks to be "stiffer".
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby SKYO » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:25 pm

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 7 Sep

Also tonight: Canucks owner Francesco Aquilini told The Vancouver Province that the Sedins are "close" to signing extensions...


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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Tciso » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:16 am

SKYO wrote:
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 7 Sep

Also tonight: Canucks owner Francesco Aquilini told The Vancouver Province that the Sedins are "close" to signing extensions...


:wow: :towel:


How much is the question? If they sign an extension, I'd love to see $6, $5, $4, $3 over 4 years, with a $4..5mil cap hit per year. They are still great players, but are starting to slip a bit. And, there is every chance that their value will go down over the course of the year if their numbers slip.

Just no NTC please. OK, maybe have a NTC that says they must be traded to the same team, but, not a blanket NTC.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby SKYO » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:40 am

Not bad, I think $5.5M -$6M per though is what they'd end up getting for a few years, which is pretty cheap still to what they provide, especially when players like Getzlaf and Perry are getting almost $9M per as 1st line comparables.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Tciso » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:59 am

SKYO wrote:Not bad, I think $5.5M -$6M per though is what they'd end up getting for a few years, which is pretty cheap still to what they provide, especially when players like Getzlaf and Perry are getting almost $9M per as 1st line comparables.


Anaheim has shot themselves in the foot for the next 8 years with those contracts. Getzlaf n Perry are good, but they cost so much, they no longer have a supporting cast around them. And, those will be albatross contracts on a couple of 35/36 year olds down the road. $5.5-$6 is a bit too much for the twins if it's for more than 2 years.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Meds » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:15 pm

Tciso wrote:
SKYO wrote:Not bad, I think $5.5M -$6M per though is what they'd end up getting for a few years, which is pretty cheap still to what they provide, especially when players like Getzlaf and Perry are getting almost $9M per as 1st line comparables.


Anaheim has shot themselves in the foot for the next 8 years with those contracts. Getzlaf n Perry are good, but they cost so much, they no longer have a supporting cast around them. And, those will be albatross contracts on a couple of 35/36 year olds down the road. $5.5-$6 is a bit too much for the twins if it's for more than 2 years.


David (46 points is my career best) Clarkson just got $5.2M for 7 years. But $5.5M is too much for Henrik or Daniel.....

:stupid:

Considering there are GM's out there just waiting to offer them $7M if they hit UFA, and considering the cap will go up over the next few years, $5.5M is absolute larceny for the Sedins, $6M is still below market value.

Both of them have indicated they want to take things a year at a time. They probably really mean short term and would likely sign 2 or 3 year deals at the right price. If Gillis can lock them up at $6M each for 2 more seasons, the gives the organization a couple more years to figure things out and get a read on a few of the prospects. It also gives Gillis time to try and work a few deals to get younger and better in a world where the salary cap is climbing and not being axed significantly.....something he hasn't been able to do since realizing that his skill and scoring approach is frowned upon by the league come playoff time.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Arachnid » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:07 am

Meds wrote:
Tciso wrote:
SKYO wrote:Not bad, I think $5.5M -$6M per though is what they'd end up getting for a few years, which is pretty cheap still to what they provide, especially when players like Getzlaf and Perry are getting almost $9M per as 1st line comparables.


Anaheim has shot themselves in the foot for the next 8 years with those contracts. Getzlaf n Perry are good, but they cost so much, they no longer have a supporting cast around them. And, those will be albatross contracts on a couple of 35/36 year olds down the road. $5.5-$6 is a bit too much for the twins if it's for more than 2 years.


David (46 points is my career best) Clarkson just got $5.2M for 7 years. But $5.5M is too much for Henrik or Daniel.....

:stupid:

Considering there are GM's out there just waiting to offer them $7M if they hit UFA, and considering the cap will go up over the next few years, $5.5M is absolute larceny for the Sedins, $6M is still below market value.

Both of them have indicated they want to take things a year at a time. They probably really mean short term and would likely sign 2 or 3 year deals at the right price. If Gillis can lock them up at $6M each for 2 more seasons, the gives the organization a couple more years to figure things out and get a read on a few of the prospects. It also gives Gillis time to try and work a few deals to get younger and better in a world where the salary cap is climbing and not being axed significantly.....something he hasn't been able to do since realizing that his skill and scoring approach is frowned upon by the league come playoff time.


If they block shots and kill penalties and take one, in other words FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! for the team then perhaps they deserve a big hometown raise. :thumbs:
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Tciso » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:37 am

Meds wrote:
Tciso wrote:
SKYO wrote:Not bad, I think $5.5M -$6M per though is what they'd end up getting for a few years, which is pretty cheap still to what they provide, especially when players like Getzlaf and Perry are getting almost $9M per as 1st line comparables.


Anaheim has shot themselves in the foot for the next 8 years with those contracts. Getzlaf n Perry are good, but they cost so much, they no longer have a supporting cast around them. And, those will be albatross contracts on a couple of 35/36 year olds down the road. $5.5-$6 is a bit too much for the twins if it's for more than 2 years.


David (46 points is my career best) Clarkson just got $5.2M for 7 years. But $5.5M is too much for Henrik or Daniel.....

:stupid:


There were a lot of dumb dumb dumb contracts this summer. Clarkson and Bozak being a couple of them. CoHo might be one of them too. Clowe fits the description. And Horton probably does too in Columbus. But, those should not be used to judge a fair market value for the Sedins. Those should be used as evidence that some teams lobotomize their GMs on a regular basis, or believe in taking insane risks that make Booth and Ballard's contracts look top shelf.

GMMG is believes in building a team, not a top line, and with that philosophy, the Twins are worth $6mil next season. But, to sign them for 4 or 5 years at that amount would be a joke.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby hist » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:40 am

Meds wrote:
Both of them have indicated they want to take things a year at a time. They probably really mean short term and would likely sign 2 or 3 year deals at the right price. If Gillis can lock them up at $6M each for 2 more seasons, the gives the organization a couple more years to figure things out and get a read on a few of the prospects. It also gives Gillis time to try and work a few deals to get younger and better in a world where the salary cap is climbing and not being axed significantly.....something he hasn't been able to do since realizing that his skill and scoring approach is frowned upon by the league come playoff time.


I keep hearing that "one year at a time" thing, but at yesterday's media availability, they were talking about this being their "last contract," which makes it sound like they're looking long-term.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Groovypippin » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:56 am

Daniel and Henrik absolutely aced fitness testing on day one of camp. Easily the best conditioned athletes on day on the team. An important reminder that for athletes their "prime" lasts longer than others. See Alfredson, Daniel.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:35 pm

Groovypippin wrote:Daniel and Henrik absolutely aced fitness testing on day one of camp. Easily the best conditioned athletes on day on the team. An important reminder that for athletes their "prime" lasts longer than others. See Alfredson, Daniel.


Cardio conditioning has fuck all to do with a hockey player's "prime". Things like timing, reflexes, fast-twitch explosiveness and wear and tear on the body do.

The twins always have great cardio and that's because they work hard on it every summer. However, it should be noted that cardio is easier when you are carrying less muscle. I'd rather see the twins come to camp bigger and stronger even if it meant sacrificing a little bit of that gas tank.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Tciso » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:45 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
Groovypippin wrote:Daniel and Henrik absolutely aced fitness testing on day one of camp. Easily the best conditioned athletes on day on the team. An important reminder that for athletes their "prime" lasts longer than others. See Alfredson, Daniel.


Cardio conditioning has fuck all to do with a hockey player's "prime". Things like timing, reflexes, fast-twitch explosiveness and wear and tear on the body do.

The twins always have great cardio and that's because they work hard on it every summer. However, it should be noted that cardio is easier when you are carrying less muscle. I'd rather see the twins come to camp bigger and stronger even if it meant sacrificing a little bit of that gas tank.


You are a decade too late. Dudes don't put on 5 or 10 pounds of muscle in their 30's in any pro sport other than baseball, and that's usually steroids (and I barely consider baseball a sport. It is a pastime) . And, you under-estimate the value of cardio on hockey.
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Re: Re-sign the Sedins thread

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:55 pm

Tciso wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:
Groovypippin wrote:Daniel and Henrik absolutely aced fitness testing on day one of camp. Easily the best conditioned athletes on day on the team. An important reminder that for athletes their "prime" lasts longer than others. See Alfredson, Daniel.


Cardio conditioning has fuck all to do with a hockey player's "prime". Things like timing, reflexes, fast-twitch explosiveness and wear and tear on the body do.

The twins always have great cardio and that's because they work hard on it every summer. However, it should be noted that cardio is easier when you are carrying less muscle. I'd rather see the twins come to camp bigger and stronger even if it meant sacrificing a little bit of that gas tank.


You are a decade too late. Dudes don't put on 5 or 10 pounds of muscle in their 30's in any pro sport other than baseball, and that's usually steroids (and I barely consider baseball a sport. It is a pastime) . And, you under-estimate the value of cardio on hockey.


I can pretty much guarantee I know a fuck of a lot more about strength and cardio training than you do Crisco.

Cardio levels don't dictate a player's prime... skill levels do. When they start to diminish, a player is less effective offensively.

All humans have a genetic max when it comes to adding muscle naturally... I doubt the twins have ever reached theirs. Their off-season training emphasizes cardio over strength, which is why they had such shitty bench press numbers for guys their size a few camps ago. It's basically impossible to significantly add strength when you're rollerblading 30 miles every day.

Strength is generally the last physical attribute to fade, and cardio numbers can be maintained at a very high level into the late thirties.

The point being, strength and cardio fitness fitness, both aerobic and anaerobic, are obviously great attributes to an athlete, but they have very little bearing on an athlete's "prime". If they did, Gary Roberts would be the '13 leading score in the NHL.
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