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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:53 pm

The way I view the Rummifications of this season is that 10 playoff wins would be a success. Let's face it, we make the third round about as often as Spidey makes a great hockey post... less than once a decade.

More than 10 and less than 16 would be a massive success, but would also be accompanied by the heartbreak of getting close and losing again.

Less than 10 and more than 5 would be disappointing but also an improvement. I guess. :)

5 or less would be earth-shattering disappointment, and the worst part of all is that vic would have to blame it on someone other than AV.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:44 am

Without a testicular upgrade to the top 6 this team is treading water.

Kesler...can only do so much on his own.

Sedins.... cant see them ever again matching their previous career year numbers

Burrows...see above

Higgins? Better suited to the 3rd line IMHO

Booth...a career year would be absolutely huge

Kassian...see above although by no means has he earned or secured a 2nd line spot


So as far as I can see, this season essentially hinges on a huge breakout by ZK and a massive year by BOOTHY to make any noise from game 83 on. UNLESS they can swing a deal to change the top 6 dynamic via trade.

With a new coaching style, a healthy 2nd line, a commitment by the defense and Luongo playing lights out...this team can still make some noise.

But...the Sedins and Burrows are starting to show signs of decline, Kesler and Booth can't seem to stay healthy, the coach has a habit of getting tuned out, a tougher division, the defense has been absolute shite of late and how Luongo will play is a total mystery.


To me this year is extremely difficult to predict how good(or bad)the Canucks will be. So many variables but at least there's some guys coming through the pipe to give us hope should the team bomb again. Shouldn't be boring...at the very least.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:54 am

The Sedins have always been more productive when they have strong secondary support. If that is not there then the Sedins can get shut down. They have never really been the players to carry the team on their back. But I'm not worried about the top line, whether its Burrows or Kassian or whomever plays with the Sedins.

I'm more concerned about the durability and production from a strong second line. That will be the key to us having a good year and a deep playoff run. If we get that then the Sedins will get more room out there.

Kesler's health, Booth's health and productivity are key but so too is JS. This is the year he has a spot on the team ready for the taking. All he has to do is step up and take it. He may be better suited for the second line. One of his strengths is passing and distributing the puck, to go along with his blazing speed. He had some chemistry with Kassian as well. I'd love to see Kassian/JS/Booth on the second line.

I really advocate putting Kesler on RW or back to the third line. He will still get a ton of playing time and still match up against the oppositions best. He can still be very productive.

Time will tell.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:02 am

Hockey Widow wrote:I really advocate putting Kesler on RW or back to the third line. He will still get a ton of playing time and still match up against the oppositions best. He can still be very productive.

Would really like to see a playmaking style winger to compliment Kesler rather than Higgins and Hansen.

As far as Schroeder goes...I feel he just isn't good enough to match up to NHL centres. He is quick but not blazing fast. He can shoot but doesn't seem to have that hard of a shot. His size is an obvious issue.

My feeling is that the team will never win when it matters with JS playing centre for the Canucks
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:14 pm

Booth is gonna have to do more than just getting healthy. When healthy, he's been shite since he arrived, nothing more, nothing less.

We are at the tail end with this group and years of elite hockey, the Sedins are slipping as they become grey beards, a new quick fix coach, whom after the honeymoon is over will only be able to do so much with the Sedins game on the slide. Don't have enough 'special' talent in the system to lead the way for the next group. We need more than just Horvat. A lot more.

Expect some rough years in that .500 hockey area in about 2-3 years.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Meds » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:50 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:So as far as I can see, this season essentially hinges on a huge breakout by ZK and a massive year by BOOTHY to make any noise from game 83 on. UNLESS they can swing a deal to change the top 6 dynamic via trade.


Yeah, but with 5 of our top 6 forwards (4 if you count Higgins as a third liner) holding NTC's it's not an easy thing for Gillis to make happen.

Uncle dans leg wrote:To me this year is extremely difficult to predict how good(or bad)the Canucks will be. So many variables but at least there's some guys coming through the pipe to give us hope should the team bomb again. Shouldn't be boring...at the very least.


Pretty much, and regardless of one's opinion of the Schneider trade, having Cory here wouldn't make that much of a difference.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Mondi » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:30 am

Meds wrote:
Pretty much, and regardless of one's opinion of the Schneider trade, having Cory here wouldn't make that much of a difference.


False. Cory was the MVP last season and playing fantastic down the stretch (until injury). Cory is trending up. Roberto is trending down.

Cory could steal at least 5 or 6 games in an 82 game season, that's free points. He's also a little stronger in the shootout and just less of an overall distraction.

Losing Cory is a bigger issue than you suggest, particularly if Bo can't play some useful minutes in 2013-2014.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Topper » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:20 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:My feeling is that the team will never win when it matters with JS playing centre for the Canucks

Gary Lupul syndrome.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby herb » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:42 am

The only real hopes I have for the 2014 season is that there are some youngsters that should improve over what they provided last year (Kassian, Schroder, Tanev, Corrado), there is some hope for internal improvement from a handful of veterans who had ‘off’ seasons (Kesler, Booth, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa) and Gillis’ drafting seems to be improving. For a change, training camp should actually be interesting.

Other than that, this roster has holes, is ageing and is going to be right in the thick of things in a tough division, which has the potential to be good or bad depending on whether or not guys can rise to the challenge. Banking on the Sedins, Kesler and Luongo putting up career seasons is wishful thinking to say the least, so the success or failure of this team really rests on the shoulders of guys like Booth, Kassian, Garrison, Edler and Schroeder, which isn’t really all the confidence inspiring to be perfectly honest. I think Garrison is capable of producing more, but I’m much less confident about the others.

To be an elite team, we’re going to need a 30/30 season from Booth, a 20/20 season from Kassian, a 10/40 season from Edler, a 15/30 season from Garrison and a massive improvement over what we saw from Schroeder in 2013. This is on top of PPG seasons from the Sedins, 30 goals from Burrows, 40+ wins from Luongo, a 30/40 season from Kesler and competent performances from the 4th line and 3rd defensive pairing.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:54 am

Topper wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote:My feeling is that the team will never win when it matters with JS playing centre for the Canucks

Gary Lupul syndrome.

If Schroeder could or would drop the gloves like Gary I might change my tune
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Mondi » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:59 am

Sakic, Selanne and other have had renaissance seasons in their mid-late 30s, I think the Sedins are capable of a one or two more huge years before its all doom and gloom.

The issue with the forwards is dressing Jordan Schroeder as an everyday hockey player in the NHL. And, attempting to pull off a combination of Higgins, Kassian and Booth as legitimate NHL second line players.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Benjo » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:33 am

Even a slightly above league average powerplay would be a massive improvement over last season. I still find it hard to believe just how bad it was last season.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Arachnid » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:47 am

Schroeder is too small for the NHL and will soon be in JohnBoys dog hut. It's all Gillis's fault :evil:
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby tantalum » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:21 pm

There is a bunch of things wrong with David Booth's game. No question about it, but as a canuck through 3 injuries he has 17 goals and 32 points in 68 regular season games. For those struggling with the math that's a 20 goal and 40 point pace. And unlike a Mason Raymond instead of doing a button hook when he enters the zone Booth has two things on his mind and two things only...getting to the net and getting the puck to the net. Now that isn't phenomenal second line production by any stretch but it's also not terrible.

Yeah he isn't good at passing or using linemates and his defense is suspect at best but he does get to the net every shift. Something no one other than Kesler and hopefully Kassian do. Something the Kings have had in spades and causes all sorts of issues (Nolan, King, Penner, Clifford). A healthy Booth helps the team on the ice if ignoring the contract. Heck based on several of the recent signings you don't even need to ignore the contract. Guys with a history of 40+ point and 20 goal seasons are getting that type of money.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Jovocop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:38 pm

tantalum wrote:There is a bunch of things wrong with David Booth's game. No question about it, but as a canuck through 3 injuries he has 17 goals and 32 points in 68 regular season games. For those struggling with the math that's a 20 goal and 40 point pace. [b]And unlike a Mason Raymond instead of doing a button hook when he enters the zone Booth has two things on his mind and two things only...getting to the net and getting the puck to the net.[/b] Now that isn't phenomenal second line production by any stretch but it's also not terrible.

Yeah he isn't good at passing or using linemates and his defense is suspect at best but he does get to the net every shift. Something no one other than Kesler and hopefully Kassian do. Something the Kings have had in spades and causes all sorts of issues (Nolan, King, Penner, Clifford). A healthy Booth helps the team on the ice if ignoring the contract. Heck based on several of the recent signings you don't even need to ignore the contract. Guys with a history of 40+ point and 20 goal seasons are getting that type of money.


Bravo!! People always see Booth's warts but not his strength. MG identified that the Canucks were lacking player(s) like Kesler, who just drives the puck forward, after the 2010/11 run. He then traded for Booth. When Booth was getting into rhythm with Kesler and Higgins, the Porter's knee changed everything. Booth just seemed to have problems getting back into form. The lockout also did not help him... Anyhow, I strongly believe that Booth will have a good year!
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